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Generous Bloomers

11 years ago

After discussing which plumeria are reluctant to bloom, let's go over those that are more likely to bloom for you.


Number one for me has to be Thorton's Lemon Drop.

It could be because mine is older (I lucked out and found a large 14-tip plant by bugging everyone I knew :)), but I know that every year at least a few tips will put out big inflos that keep going for months. This year at least 1/3 of the tips are crowning so far.


Maverick was sold to me as a pink version of TLD. Not sure that's true but my plant has only two tips so far. It's bloomed on both tips every other year and the inflos are long lasting. Still waiting for branches, though, and it's not a compact plant like TLD. Looks like it will be a big one, but in a nice, beefy way.


Gladys O'Neal is a tough, underrated bloomer. Again, blooms every other year without fail and smells nice. It's also Texas summer-and-winter hardy and very photogenic.


Summer Spice bloomed on multiple tips for me, with long-lasting inflos. It's reputed to be a great spicy scented flower, but I didn't get a great scent from it. This is the mother of Heirloom and it has that same tidy compact growth habit.


Please add your own recommendations for others to learn what may work best for them.

Comments (40)

  • 11 years ago

    If you have the space.....I think Vera Cruz Rose is am awesome performer with the most wonderful fragrance

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    11 years ago
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    Nice Post. I'll add a geographic reference since local climates can make a difference. I am technically in a Humid Subtropical (Koppen Cfa) climate.

    For me in San Antonio these are my consistent bloomers year after year and what I like about them. In order to be on this first list it must have bloomed multiple inflos 5 years or more in a row without fail and have good growth habits.

    Penang Peach - massive quantities of orange/yellow flowers from June until November. Some years 25+ inflos. Pruned heavily this year.

    Dwarf Singapore Pink- massed display from June until December (40+ inflos)

    Celadine - traditional bloom and scent. (25+)

    Royal Hawaiian - Deep pink flower with an orange/red center (25+)

    Jeannie Jr. - big beautiful deep red flowers. light scent (25+)

    Dean Conklin - Huge star shaped flower. light scent (5+). I don't know why more people do not tout this plant.

    Lei Rainbow - beautiful thick petals. Yellow orange and red (20+). Needless to say its one of my oldest but does not out perform Penang Peach and I recommend novices stay clear due to the temperamental nature. It was pruned heavily this year.

    Sariah's Curly Pink (5+) - Big light pink curly petals and massive seed producer. Grew pretty tall and then has been been a good brancher since about 2012.

    Give Away Pink (20+)- A generic I brought back from Hawaii that has a traditional scent, blooms profusely and is easy to root. Perfect for beginners. Hence the name.

    JL Candy Stripe - Big pinwheel shaped flowers on a beefy plant. Prone to six petal blooms.

    Three or more. In order to be on the below List the plants must have reliably bloomed three years in a row. I placed the year bought to identify them as young plants. Most appear to be on track to be added to the 5+ years list.

    1. JJ Divine (2012) all tips bloomed. Always one of the best and IMO a standard bearer of the JJ name.
    2. Thornton's Mardi Gras (2011) all tips bloomed. Classic plant for collectors.
    3. Edi Moragne (2012) all tips bloomed. Buttery white bloom with traditional scent. a real under-collected specimen
    4. Duke (2011) 3 tips out of 5 bloomed. a Deep almost purple velvety flower. Was pruned back this year to cut out branch damage.
    5. Pink Pansy (2011) - Beautiful shaped and fragranced flowers. most tips bloomed.
    6. JJ Southern Cross (2012) - Nice shape blooms and scented. Otherwise fairly generic but good bloom and growth habits.

    Honorable Mentions that are not old enough to have made the list but look promising to make it next year are:

    1. Kona Candy (2013)- Still small at two years old and will be second bloom cycle. But appears to be single tipping again on both tips.
    2. JJ Milan (2013)- 2nd year and 3 out of 5 tips are producing.
    3. Gulfstream (2013) - The parent tree was bulldozed but the lineage continues.
    4. Bud's CA Sally ( 2013) - bloomed on 2 tips the first year and at least two will bloom this year.
    5. Thornton's Lemon Drop (2013) - single tip cutting with lineage back to Jandey's rooted in 2013. It bloomed in 2013, took a break in '14 and has two inflos this year.
    6. Magnum Opus - Bought from Barbra F. last spring. It put on a good show in 2014 and she said its bloomed for her routinely before that point but I haven't seen any inflo's yet so it stays on the honorable mentions list.

    Others could probably go on the list but I wanted to concentrate on the known performers in my patch. Thanks.

  • 11 years ago

    This is a great thread! I am loving that Give Away Pink!!

  • 11 years ago

    Gorgeous blooms, Jen and k! Love them all!

    For me, these five are the ones that appear each year, without fail. This year is no different. Each of these currently have inflos, and I look forward to their blooms in the upcoming months! The pics below are from last season.

    Elizabeth Thornton Lemon Drop is a favorite for me, too, Jen. It blooms every year on the majority of tips. I got mine from Emmerson. His tree is from Elizabeth Thornton's original tree, so I call mine her granddaughter :-). In any event, she is a happy bloomer, and I adore the shape of her petals.


    Maui Beauty is another one that has thrown inflos on every tip, every year. It doesn't always branch, but will develop an inflo in very little new growth. It has a nice, fresh scent.


    Southern Cross from JJ is another strong bloomer for me, too, k. I agree, it may not be showy, but it is reliable and is a beefy grower. My tree kind of grows in the shape of a saguaro cactus, arms outstretched ready to grab you!


    Elsie with her stripes is another good one. She has bloomed every year!


    J-105 is has pretty leaves and blooms consistently each season. Even if she didn't bloom, she would still be a keeper because she has nice foliage.


    With time, I look forward to adding to this list. The jury is still out on many, but time will tell!

    Have a great evening!

  • 11 years ago
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    *For some reason I can't get it to let me post photos right now...

    I agree, great thread! So far my most reliable generous bloomers are:

    Divine

    CS3

    Gina

    & Desert Sunrise and Kaneohe Sunburst - of which I have no good pictures on my Photobucket - GASP!! I will have to take new pictures of these beauties blooming this year!!

    Many of my plants haven't reached "critical mass" size or I haven't had them long enough to see a pattern yet but time will tell!! Nice pictures everyone!

    P.S. - if anyone has an E.T. Lemon Drop to sell that can be shipped let me know!! LOL

  • 11 years ago

    I need the E. T. Lemon Drop as well......willing to pay for multi tips and girth. Thanks.

  • 11 years ago

    All Look Great , My Wish List Grows With Every New Thread That I Read ;)..

    Great Pics !

    Ed

  • 11 years ago

    Dang it, K, every time you post pics of your big trees I wish I had a time machine! Nice to know KC and TLD are blooming well; not all my trades are practical jokes, lol. And your Giveaway Pink really looks like Evalani. We need an old-timer to tell us if they're similar.

    Wendi, gorgeous pics! Ok, based on your recommendation I'll be patient with J105 :)

    Emily, you were smart to get CS3. It sounds like a great one! And Desert Sunrise, OMG, inflos on multiple tips for me, too. And unlike Makaha, the inflos seem unaffected by the bad weather here.

    Dahmerfan and Ed, welcome to the addicts' pit.


  • 11 years ago

    Thanks......nice to know there are others out there. ...lol

  • 11 years ago

    And I'm still looking for that ET Lemon Drop if anyone has a piece :)

  • 11 years ago

    Wow you guys are making me want to order TLD now. Nice pics.


    For me, my most floriferous would be Penang Peach and with Divine a close second. There may be some varieties that start peeking up earlier but PP is somehow faster at developing those inflos into flowers and they last into the end of the season.


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    Here are some generous and profuse blooming cultivars in my cooler coastal temps:

    Red Dusk (Hawaiian) turns dark purple with heat


    Celebration (Thai)
    JJs TBred Tracy
    JJ's Purple Jack
    Thai Mermaid Gem
    Sherbert Town (Thai)
    Sai Thong(Thai)
    Opera Roughe (Singapore)
    Sweet Lyndie (Singapore)
    Leos Candy Stripe
    Musk Rainbow aka George Brown
    Australia
    JL Metallica
    Hawaiian Flag
    Bonnie Fox
    JJ's Thai Splash
    JJs Firestorm
    Bhudaraksa
    Hilo Beauty
    Hong Kong
    Mela Pa Bowman
    Lani
    Daisy WIlcox
    Aurora Borealis
    Reddish Morange
    JJ's Thai Peach
    Puu Kahea

    Heart of Gold

    OK, these were off the top of my head and there are a bunch more but have to run. Will try to post pics later.

  • 11 years ago

    wow...just make a copy of that list and put it as my wish list....RED DUSK at the top of the list now...spectacular! roxanne

  • 11 years ago

    Great thread!! Thanks for posting, there is some great info in here.

  • 11 years ago

    WOW! I agree!! Red Dusk is OUTRAGEOUSLY GORGEOUS!

    Regarding Lemon Drop, my ET is still a small tree, so it is not ready for trimming yet. I got mine from Emmerson Willis in Texas. Does anyone know if he is still in business? I hope he is okay. I tried to go to his website, but it was taken down.


  • 11 years ago

    Oh just an FYI... Red Dusk was originally collected in Maui on a Homestead property which is private (only people of Hawaiian descent/blood can qualify for a Homestead.), there was a Hawaiian guy who worked @ the hotel where she was staying @ and she paid him to take her to a place where there might be unusual plumerias growing so she could get cuttings. The Hawaiian guys family (aunts/uncles/cousins) all had houses in that particular Homestead, so she was able to harvest some cuttings, again this is privately owned property so a person can not just go there as it would be trespassing. Sonia brought back 4 cuttings of RD, she grafted 2 for herself (I purchased one from her for I think 175.00.), another cutting was given to her friend Gabby Cervantas, and Jack Morgan received the last Red Dusk cutting. In the huge freeze of 2007, Jack and Sonia both lost the only Red Dusk plant they had to frost, Gabby was proactive and protected hers. In the summer of 2008, my Red Dusk was about 5ft tall, nicely branched out with at least 5 inflos (the pic I posted was from the summer of 2008), when I guess someone could not resist her beauty and stole the plant. I was able to do trade with Gabby for another cutting in 2009, and now have 2 plants. Gabby felt bad for Sonia, as her Red Dusk was a gift from her so Gabby gave Sonia a cutting also in 2009.
    I believe Sonia went back to look for the mother plant but could not find it, so basically Red Dusk is not commercially available, and the only plants are with Sonia, Gabby, myself and the mother tree in Maui (Sonia stated the mother tree must have been old as it was HUGE.). As Hawaiians that live on Homestead properties are very territorial, I do not think there are very many Red Dusk plants around...but who knows.

    So unless the Plumeria THEIF that stole my original plant (who knows if its still alive), Gabby or Sonia decide to take cuttings and sale of gift them out chances are slim of finding or getting a Red Dusk, Sorry :(
    Just saying so you do not keep hunting online, or @ a Plumie Society sale.


  • 11 years ago

    Thanks for the fyi. You know how we addicts think, James! :-)

    I can't imagine how upset you must have been over the theft of your special tree. Makes me sick, and I'm so sorry that happened to you!

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    11 years ago

    Gidget,

    I think Emerson has retired from his retirement job. The last time I went by his place in 2014 he said he wasn't rooting any more and was selling many of his parent trees. I believe most went to other PSA growers in the Houston area.

    J,

    Kona and Lemon drop are great plants. I'm so glad to have them and the backs of the name tags proudly say "Gift from Jandey." I wish I knew more about Giveaway Pink but sometimes it's just good to enjoy the blooms and not worry about lineage or name.

    My experience is the bigger the container the better with mature plants. I tell people I don't go to the fitness center for my own health...its for my Plumerias.


  • 11 years ago

    Double dang it, James! Time machine, Hawaiian lineage, large acreage plot for my house...the list goes on and on! I kinda look Hawaiian--do you think that would count? :P

    Red Dusk is a stunner by any measure! Eyeshadow of drag queen OR regular queen, LOL! And you always have such great info on the backgrounds of these. I hope we can meet next month if you're around.

    Sorry to hear that Emerson is done selling, but I'm not surprised. It's so much to keep up with sometimes, and he had a lot of big trees. If any of you reading this really want to get the lowdown on the Plumeria Society of America, join for $25 a year and get their quarterly newsletter. Always good info in there.


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    Hey Jandey1,
    You crack me up ....lol. The actually story came from Sonia Carvalho-Hangs, she told me the whole story when she got back from her trip, along with her neighbor trashing her back yard and plumies because he was pissed at her as her house alarm was going off 24/7 for days as it was not hooked up to any service so it had to be manually shut off, but since they were on vacation it stayed on 24/7, till it was finally switched off..lol

    I hope we can meet up also. Do u know what area of LA your staying in? I am moving back to my old house(Doheny Estates area Beverly Hills), the first week of June, then leaving for NYC on Sat June 20th in the AM. So if your here around that time I'll try to meet up depending on where your @.

  • 11 years ago

    Love to have you both meet up.. Next time, I want to have lunch with James too! Missed him last time and I feel awful because of it. ;-(. Really e joyed the great boat trip that bIll and sherry as well as Bud had for us.. He loves ." Fish and chips". ;-)

    Really missed you, my sundance is doing great, but I lost the others and I was bummed...GR was my favorite. Ugh.., oh well,


    Here are a few to add to your collection:

    Celadine


    Daisy Wilcox

    Kauka Wilder


    Kaneohe Sunrise

    Vera Cruz Rose

    Jeannie Moragne

    Lava Flow

    Elizabeth Thornton Lemon Drop

    Desert Sunrise


  • 11 years ago


    Xquisite

    Penang Peach

    J -105

    Queen Amber

    Laura

  • 11 years ago

    That ET Lemon Drop is kinda hard to find. Finally gave in and ordered a cutting off Ebay from that lady in Thailand that has a 99% positive review. Hopefully want fall in that 1% :) That is one plant I must have.

  • 11 years ago

    James, we'll be at Disney for a couple of days, then will be meeting up with George at his house in Simi on the 12th (barring illness or earthquake), and hopefully Bill on the 15th at his favorite beach. Are either of those good days/locations?

    And Laura, it would be FANTASTIC if you could join then! You could get two plumeria birds with one stone! Let me know so I know how many boxes of Lammes to bring :)

    Dahmerfan, if you ordered from Anyamanee and aren't in CA, you should be fine. Takes a while to get them but her cuttings are good and she stands behind any that arrive in bad shape, as long as you take pictures of them.


  • 11 years ago

    Thanks for the info Jandey. I am a patient guy, so if they do arrive in good shape all will be good :) If not I will first throw a tantrum and then send her the pics. Fingers crossed....

  • 11 years ago

    Laura,
    Gr8 pics, always a treat seeing your blooms (did that sound right??), you know what I meant..lol Hope you make it out this season to LA as you have a bunch of friends waiting for you.

    Jen,
    OMG so much fun, Disneyland! Hmmmm Simi is far from where I live, Bills area is probably more convenient (I can run a few errands and see friends that I have in OC). I am moving the first week of June (OMG only 2 more weeks grrrr), so I still have to get everything including my mother moved into the new house and concurrently have to work on the house we are moving out of as I am going to rent it out instead of selling it, so will have painters and a stager working on it, so will have to see where I am at by the 15th. I'll be @ the old Mapleton Dr. house supervising so maybe you can come by and visit a bit on the 12th if your going to Georges if I can not make the 15th? Holmby hills is not that far from the 405 freeway, well closer than the house I am moving back to...gotta luv LA traffic...lol

    So hopefully we can meet up for a visit.


  • 11 years ago

    Oh, my, the very idea of moving gives me hives so I imagine you're pretty stressed! We'll still be in the Anaheim area Friday morning so let me work on mapping where everyone is, and maybe we can meet then if you have a little time. I know you're super busy with the move!


  • 11 years ago

    Awwwwww, Jen! I would love to be out there and visit with you all!! You know how much I loveCalifornia and all of our awesome friends!!!

    If there is a way, I'll try.. But I'm not sure what will be happening in the weeks ahead, but I'll keep thinking good thoughts and maybe it can happen. ALL I have to do is get on and head west!! ;-). Tempting me with the Lammes .. Mmmmmm, delicious.. Love those !!! It could work!! Lol...

    James... You know I would enjoy a trip out there!! Hopefully...

    You are to funny.. Yes, I know what you meant! Thank you for the compliment!! Haha!!!

    Have a great day!!

    Laura

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    11 years ago
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    More land = More Plumerias.

    I'll add Samoan Fluff to the Generous Bloomers list.

  • 11 years ago

    I'll add Loretta to the generous bloomers list. Mine has bloomed every year and currently has 2 inflos forming!

  • 11 years ago

    I guess my most abundant bloomer is Purple Jack.....love the smell,too! If only the actual plant weren't so ugly.

  • 11 years ago
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    Anybody have a Generous List for zone 5? I was told on another forum I will never be able to grow Plumeria because our Summers are too short for them to bloom. Is this true? I would love to know before I buy another 10 plants. Thanks!!!

  • 11 years ago

    Treehugger, I think you can do it with supplemental lighting in the spring while they're still indoors. Or a greenhouse would be a huge help. Stick with tried-and-true bloomers like Celadine and Divine, ones that don't get huge. Good luck!

  • 11 years ago

    Jandey, You give me hope! To clarify, are you saying let them go dormant and bring them under lights in early spring to get them started? I was told that if I let them go dormant they will not have enough grow time to bloom before it gets cold again. So growing early under lights will eliminate that problem?

    If so, then the only one left to solve is where to place them in here while dormant. I really have no cool location at 55 or whatever. My garage is about 45 in January with -20 blasts from the garage doors opening and closing. This place is small so I do not have a sunroom. I can, however, grow them under T5 lights in various rooms like I do with other tropicals and orchids.

    I do have Celadine and ordered Divine last week so that one is taken care of.

  • 11 years ago

    Yes, you can let them go dormant when your temps drop. Trim off the leaves and put them in a dark or cool bedroom. Then in March start putting them under your T5 lights, on a schedule similar to what they would experience in that time of year in the tropics.

    I increase the number of hours for mine under lights as spring goes on, then put them outside when freeze danger is over and when the number of daylight hours are roughly the same as what they've had inside under lights. Make sense?

  • 11 years ago

    jandey1 - I can do that!!! Thanks so much!!! I'm not sure what tropical schedule you mean though. Would you kindly explain?

    Do you keep them in pots when dormant or store them bare root?

    I am so excited!!!

  • 11 years ago

    That's what I do too.. Jen and a few of us have to put ours to sleep and then nudge them in the spring. Sometimes mine are to noisy even when I'm trying to put them down.. Crazy little guys. Lol

    i keep mine in the same containers...

    hi Jen.. Miss you!!

    laura

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, Laura!!! I just hope I can find room for the pots.

  • 11 years ago

    Hey, Laura, hope all is well with you! I've been unable to get to some of my newer pics so am not posting much lately. Plus the heat is so intense now that my time is used up in watering!

    Treehugger, what I mean is try to give them the same number of hours of light as what you'd get in a more southern zone, like south Florida's as an example. (We get lots of sun in the spring here in zone 8 but the cold north winds keep my plants inside until around Easter.)

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