I said blind shoot when I should have said aborted tip. At least I believe thats what their called.

Hey if any of you are on FaceBook, check out the page for GaGa's Garden. She just posed a beautiful picture of Above and Beyond, and she's here in IL.

Dingo, How is your Above and beyond now? How tall is it? Any updated photos? :-) I should get mine this coming weekend. :-)

Summer it looks good so far, very healthy. It hasn't put on a ton of growth, as I didn't get it in the ground till about 2 weeks ago - patio project has really messed me up this year! Will try to get a pic tomorrow, it's very full and shrubby looking right now!

Thanks Dingo! :-) I called the nursery today, she told me the shipment should be in Thur/Fri. Now I have to find 6 spots for them. :-) I hope they can climb up on pine tree trunks......

To echo what Dingo has said she has been very healthy so far. Been in the ground since I got it. So I would say it has tripled in size. Staring to send up basals and lateral growth now.

Went out and got a pic for you so you could see for yourself. Forgive the mess around her I've been taking out daylilies like mad. Since it seems my rose passion has flourished again. Besides daylilies are a lot of work. So much so that I've not been able to spend one iota of time on the roses.

And daylilies only bloom for a day. I have given away 200 or 300. I'll take roses that bloom from April to November! Ha, ha, ha!

I'm keeping maybe 50 of them that are the best of the best. My lord they were so huge and ratty. There isn't enough water in Lake Michigan to keep them happy

Gaga is lucky to have a gardener. Above and Beyond has viscous killer thorns once she gets growing. Maybe worse than Roseraie de l'hay

Thanks Patty for the update and photo, it looks lovely and grows fast! I'd start to dig some holes by the pine trees. 90% rain tomorrow, so Friday should be a good day to dig. When they grow really tall, I'd put thick ropes between the tree trunks.

Patty yours looks great! Wishing I had been able to get mine planted sooner. Summer I'm anxious to see how 6 planted by your trees will look, please post pics! This is mine now, don't laugh at my mini trellis, it will be big enough for this year!

Julie

I am waiting for the nursery to call me, may be tomorrow. I will post some photos as soon as I get them. :-)

I got them! I got them! After 2 hrs driving (both ways) they're home! See here:

Wow that will make a statement for sure. Beautiful plants!

Thanks Patty. I planted 5 Above & Beyond hugging 5 trees, hope they can climb, one next to a MAC to help adding more colors. MAC had winter die back all the way to the ground this year, then midge damage, so far I only got 1 bloom out of a 4' tall MAC, they can grow together and be sisters. Here are a few tree photos......in the middle of planting, one of neighbor's 2 dogs went lose, chasing after the dogs for a while, then another neighbor joined the dog chasing team, then the owner......really tired now. :-)

Summer those look great! I hope they are as hardy as they claim, they will be beautiful!

Can't wait to see photos as they grow. My Above and Beyond came with rose midge. I did not see the damage until I was home. To far to return the plant so I could either keep it or put in garbage. I used to have rose midge really bad. After a few years it pretty much disappeared. Last year was the first in a long time that they were back. When Easter Basket isn't cover in bloom I new they were here again.

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Thanks Dingo and Patty! :-) We can all report back next year, see how they are doing. Patty, sorry to hear yours has midge, I hope you can keep it. I know you don't spray, Bioneem is a organic spray, it can control midge if you spray it weekly, it costs about $12 to $16 a bottle (concentrate).

Ordered this from White Flower Farm. Its available this year as a bareroot. Had looked for it last year at local nurseries with no luck so I am excited to find it online this year. Really want to check out the hardiness of this climber.

Mary it's nice too hear that many of us have gotten this rose. It will be fun to compare results. Have you seen the photos on Help Me Find. The photos are breath taking. I think mine shall be in for a move come spring. She does not have enough room where I placed it. I do so hate to mess up this years bloom thou.

Mary, Good for you, glad you found one! :-)

I was able to get an 'A & B' in July last year and I planted it in a temporary spot in my veg garden. It grew vigorously for the time it was there. I think it will be cane hardy in my z4 area because the rabbits are going after the canes above the snow in Jan. Rabbits rarely eat the canes of roses like HT's in my area because the canes are usually dead & freeze dried by mid to late Dec. but they do eat the those rose canes that are cane hardy in my climate such as John Davis, Hope for Humanity, gallicas, albas, etc. I noticed a rabbit last week gnawing on my 'A & B' so I've been busy trapping the little varmints over the weekend....got 3 of them in 4 days.

Thank you, Mary1NYS for mentioning that White Flower Farms carries this rose. I had given up finding it locally. Now I have one on order to arrive this spring. Yippee!

I loved the photos of it on Helpmefind. I mentioned it to a couple nurseries here last summer who said they could get it for this year. I didn't want to take any chances though so searched for an online source. I'm overdue for a cane hardy climber! Also, if anyone is looking for Polar Joy online it's available at Mary's Plant Farm. Got a great bareroot specimen from them last year and it did very well!

Thank you for mentioning Mary's Plant Farm. I was going too order from there last years. Knew nothing about them so ended up waiting.

Yes I had noticed that White Flower Farms had it listed as a shrub though, I was ordering other stuff there. I have a great deal of interest in this rose to plant it free standing in an area where it can get huge to 20' x 20' but I first want to see what the word is on its rebloom. So far that's hard to come by and I read some place where the breeder wrote that he is trying to breed better repeat bloom into it but that its cold hardiness gets diluted quickly when crossed with roses that repeat well.

Hi guys, did you get any repeat this year? I got none. It's tip hardy for my zone here. I just planted 3 New Dawn and 3 White Dawn next to these Above and Beyond, I want something repeats.

Summer mine had what I guess you would call scattered blooms through mid August. I was kind of surprised, thought it would be more of a one time bloomer. Seemed to be blooming on new wood, so maybe next year will be better still. I wrangled it onto an obelisk, will see how that looks come spring!

Julie

Is your A & B showing resistance to Black Spot & Powdery Mildew?

The ones I have here are very healthy, no BS and PM at all.

Mine too! No disease issues at all.

After going thru all the trouble of getting mine. I'm fairly sure I'm going to shovel prune mine. There has been no disease on it. But for the space that I must devote to her. I keep looking at my Flamenco Rosita (Ivors Rose) and she is a beautiful beast of a rose. No disease gorgeous flowers and blooms all year. I must have another. So one that takes a big space up must go. I'm sorry Above and Beyond.

Marytnys, thanks for mentioning Mary's plant farm. It's really close to me, but I've never been. I guess it's time for me to stop looking with envy at other's great nursery's and start exploring my own. : ) I guess the grass is always greener.

Just checking in - how's Above and Beyond doing for everyone? Patty did you keep it or move it? Thanks for the tip on Flamenco Rosita, it's lovely, had to get one!

Heres A&B right now -

Yours looks lovely! Mine are just starting to bloom, 4 out of 6 have 2-3 opened blooms, the other 2, some of the buds are about to open. All of them have tons of buds this year. I will take some photos this weekend, they should have more blooms in a couple more days.

Wow Julie yours is looking great. Summer I'm looking forward to seeing the show start.

Speaking of Flamenco Rosita I really wanted to get a few for the front yard but could not find them this year. Now I have to root a couple. It does root very easily.

Patty I think Heirloom has it - I got it from them when they had a sale. Cheaper to root it though :)

Thanks Julie, your right about heirloom. I did not have an order with them this year or I would have added it. It is one of those roses that roots like a dream. I already have one by accident. It had a stem that had been covered up. It took root and was blooming away and 3x3 by the end of the year.

I took a few photos today, they aren't in full bloom yet. 3 of them have more blooms than the others, might have to wait 2-3 more days for all the buds to open......the only roses have more blooms are climbing Altissimo by the mailbox and Therese Bugnet by a garden shed for now........

Dingo2001,

Your A&B is a perfect picture of health. How are you training that bush on to the obelisk? Are you winding the canes around it? I have two obelisks just like yours, I'm growing an Eden and Westerland on them.

Summers those are gorgeous! And your Altissimo color is really a standout.

Ben - yes I'm winding them around it, but not sure what I'm doing or how successful it will be! I put the obelisk out towards the end of last season and it was a little challenging to wrap them. I have since read to maybe go all one way around. A&B seems to want to be wide at the base, if I had a fence I would put it there. There are some good threads here and on the antique forum on how to train them. I bet Westerland will be big for you in a warm zone!

Thanks for the response, I think you are doing a beautiful job. It looks as though A&B could engulf the structure and be a spectacular flower tower. One more question...is the bush planted inside the center of the obelisk, or is it off to the side? I think the bush would be easier to manage if the structure was off to the side, but I love the symmetry of your plant.

It's off to the side. I think if you plant it in the center the base will get too much shade, and would be hard to train in the new canes. I think on HMF there's a pic of this rose grown as a monster shrub with no support at all!

Lovely photos Dingo! Yours is much bigger than mine.

Here is one of the six I have.

Can’t post photos on my phone. Will try it again later.

Looks great! I would leave it alone for now. If a cane starts to fail or not flower, then cut it out.

Thanks Sheila! This is the only large climber type rose I have and I’m clueless!

Hi Dingo, your pictures of Above and Beyond look gorgeous! How big did she get? Does she rebloom well? Anyone growing this rose in the south? Is it a beast?

Mas she gets quite large, pretty much fills the obelisk and makes a mound. There is ahuge flush of spring blooms that last for quite a while, and the last couple of years I’ve gotten some scattered blooms throughout the summer too.

Thank you! Your pictures of her are gorgeous! I’m not sure I have the space for her. 😕