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Mislabeled Seeds?

11 years ago

So I bought a packet of supposed Cherokee Purples and now I'm not sure that they are. Any clue what these could be? I was thinking a paste, but these are almost 8 foot. All of these are off the same plant.


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  • 11 years ago

    I would have to agree, they do not look like Cherokee Purples! I have a guess, but there are others a lot more knowledgable that will likely be able to offer some ideas. A picture of some of the blossoms might help, also.

  • 11 years ago
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    I've never grown any tomatoes outside of cherry varieties in containers so it's confusing. I have some Roma's planted from seed and the fruit shapes are similar except my Roma's are smaller and have a point on the ends, and are only about 4 foot and bushy. That's why I was wondering about a paste variety that could get this big. Here's a pic of the blossoms....

  • 11 years ago

    Is this the year for mis-labeled plants/seeds or what?????

  • 11 years ago

    Must be. A lot of the stuff I got from Red Dirt isn't what it was supposed to be. Pretty frustrating. I've always had good luck with their's.

    The blossoms definitely are not CP. The 8' of growth is amazing to me. Most of mine are lucky to have 8" of growth with all the rain!

  • 11 years ago

    The two black cherry plants from red dirt that I planted have turned out to be the color of black cherry tomatoes, but they are larger paste type tomatoes. It's hard to compare flavor yet since the tomatoes that are ripening now have been exposed to so much rain!

  • 11 years ago
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    I think Dawn is right and it might be cross pillinated. Some of the fruits are beef steak shaped too. Also, have you guys ever seen a branch grow out of the fruit clusters? The branches on these mystery plants are doing this.....

    I couldn't get it in the pic but at the end of the vine is another cluster of flowers. None of my other varieties are doing this! What kind of mongrel plant is this...lol!

    Okoutdrsman- I think we've been lucky with the rain because we live on a hill and my beds are terraced. Most others I've talked to have little growth or had to start over. Also, I'm not sure we've had as much flooding problems here in Tahlequah compared with other parts of the state.

  • 11 years ago

    With your plant, it will be interesting to see what sort of mature fruit color and size you get. You may not get CP fruit, but you still might get some good ones. Think of this plant as an adventure! Some great tomato varieties have arisen from cross-pollinated plants (but so have some not-so-great ones). Cherokee Purple Heart is a heart-shaped fruit that is a morph of Cherokee Purple. It resulted from one seed from one packet of Cherokee Purple seed purchased from a very reliable and totally wonderful seed company in 2009, and it is a great tomato with wonderful flavor. So, if you have only one plant morphing into something we can call Not-Cherokee-Purple, you might get an interesting plant with wonderful fruit since we know that happened with CP Heart. If you have multiple oddball plants that are Not-Cherokee-Purple, then it is more likely you have cross-pollinated seed and not a morph.

    I have tomato plants 8' tall but they're supposed to be/expected to be at least that tall and the 45" or so of rain we have had so far has had a lot to do with how tall they are. My beds are raised so despite all the flooding I've only lost 1 tomato plant to root rot. The continually wet conditions have been very hard on all the plants and Septoria Leaf Spot and Early Blight have hit a portion of my plants, but I'm just not going to worry about them. I'll keep harvesting for as long as the plants keep producing and it is likely we'll get tired of tomatoes long before the plants give up the ghost and fade away in the July or August heat.

    For those of you getting plants from a wholesale grower or retailer, if it is occurring a lot, it would help them if y'all let them know they are selling either crossed plants or mislabeled plants. They cannot correct a problem if they do not know it is occurring.

  • 11 years ago
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    For sure, keep an eye on those. They might be something really worth while. This year I'm growing Carbon Copy (F5 generation). This was an intentional cross between a cherry tomato and Carbon. I've been told it is really good. Anyway, I'm giving it a try.

    I grow Tomato Rocky, which is a "plum" tomato that sometimes reaches 8 or 9'. I've grown it since 1983 and it took me until last year to recognize that it is NOT a paste tomato at all. It's an oxheart! No wonder it struggles to produce here in Oklahoma!

    George

  • 11 years ago

    Krista - did we shop at the same Atwoods? lol! Bonnie identified mine as Black Moor (aka Black Mauri). Not the Black Cherry I wanted, but not bad even with the watered down flavor. As has been said - still better than what the grocery store's.

  • 11 years ago

    I went out into the tomato bed tonight and one of these has started to ripen. Unfortunately, my phone is out of commission at the moment so I couldn't get a picture. The tomatoes are a little bigger than a golf ball and the same shape. However, I am surprised because they are turning orange and not red.


    I did a quick google search and haven't seen any exact matches. It seems kind of small to be a paste tomato and too big to be a cherry or pear. Any suggestions? I'll post a pic as soon as I can.



  • 11 years ago

    Please keep us posted! I'm really curious. I too did some "googling" and don't see anything that matches perfectly - but I'm wondering if it's maybe a Juan Flamme (size similar) or maybe a Kelloggs Breakfast (shoulder similar)?

    My plant mix-up turned out well so I'm hoping yours does too!

    Paula

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    I agree with Paula that it sounds more like Jaune Flammee than anything else, unless the fruit keep getting bigger, which they shouldn't do if they already are coloring up.

    If you page down to the photo gallery on the linked page from Tatiana's Tomato Base, you can see multiple photos of Jaune Flammee---both single fruit in some photos and branches of many fruit in other photos. If your fruit is growing in the same way and turning the same golden orange color when ripe, that's likely what you have. And, you're in for a treat--as the fruit is very tasty. (Having said that, my fruit has been subjected to ridiculously excessively amounts of rainfall and the flavor is poor so far this year, though it is getting better as we dry out more.)

    Dawn

    Jaune Flammee Page At Tatiana's Tomato Base

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