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I have a headache trying to choose appliances and I need help!

11 years ago

Started to plan our gut renovation of our kitchen and the appliances are killing me. Went to a major appliance store here in Boston with thoughts of looking at the Wolf stove but the salesperson steered us towards Thermador. Anyone have any experience. I want a 36 cooktop or range, that brings on that next debate double ovens with range or just cooktop, HELP!

As for refrigerators, we really don't care about the brand, we want space but also want a built in model. Thoughts? Anyone else having this dilemma

Comments (12)

  • 11 years ago

    Hate to say this but some will steer you to the appliances with the best bonus.

    What type of cooking do you do? What type of cookware do you use. How do you use your oven? I would recommend a separate range top, as opposed to cook top and even separate ovens. This would allow you to pick each for the best performance. If one part goes caput you are not replacing the whole thing. You may want to consider induction or a combi steam oven. I like having an oven at waist height,

    I would avoid the Wolf DF which is what I have but has the Wolf blue chipping enamel. It only lasted 4.5 years. It is only usable with food covered and the fan off. The series E wall oven has also had issued with the blue enamel. The M series is a new design that is supposed to fix it but hasn't been out long enough to have a track record.


  • 11 years ago

    Been there, done that. Dilemma, that is. I can't tell you if I was successful or not because the kitchen is not done yet. I ended up with the Bosch cooktop because it seemed to have a lot of positive reviews. I really struggled with the built in fridge, and I think it really comes down to what you prefer for interior configeration. I was looking at the Thermador, but really did not like the gallon storage door shelves. I also was not fond of the Sub Zero drawers in their built in, but thought their columns would work for me. Ended up with the Miele, as I much preferred the freezer storage., and the price was better. I chose Gaggeneau ovens - steam combi and a convection.

    Good luck with your choices!

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks everyone! I am an avid cook and entertainer, anywhere from 10-30 at a time. I also bake a lot, breads, greek cookies, so I usually have 3-4 sheets going at a time. I also want to make sure my 26 inch sheet pans fit.

    Wekick what do you mean by range top versus cooktop, are you a fan with a range and double ovens?

    Sherrie1058 what's the steam oven used for, have not come across that.

    Does anyone have any thoughts on the GE monogram built in fridge/freezer


  • 11 years ago

    A range includes an oven. So a range with double ovens means 3 ovens (or more). Is that what you are looking for?


  • 11 years ago
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    On a TV show, a guy wanted to talk about a range but didn't know the word or something so he said it was a "stove and oven combo unit"! :)

  • 11 years ago

    Angie Tsiaras

    I also want to make sure my 26 inch sheet pans
    fit.

    _____

    This will limit you right here. I think all of the ranges that hold a full sheet are all gas. This would include the BlueStar, Capital Culinarian, GE Monogram, and Thermador commercial depth and the American Performer and DCS. Gas ovens have more room because they don't have the extra element in the back. It seems there have been a lot of complaints about the American ovens and the service seems spotty from what I have read.

    There is a wide range of burners here. I would do a little reading and see what types would be best for the way you cook whether you buy a range or rangetop.

    Some aspects to consider-

    open or sealed burner tray-preference for cleaning

    capped or uncapped or sometimes also referred to as open but this gets confused with the "open" burner tray. You can have a little to a lot more spread of the flame depending on how it is engineered

    BTUS-Consider the high and low range. Don't be fooled by burners listing a temperature for simmer as this is a meaningless number. Compare BTUs. Some have dual stacked burners so that you have a different range of heat on each and I think keeps the diameter of the higher BTU burner from flaring too much. You also have more control through the range of heat.

    configuration of burner-if you use cast iron or steel pans, which don't conduct heat very welll, some of the star shaped burners will spread the heat a little more but you have to use the right sized burner for the pan so the star burners are sized. If you use heavy gauge copper or steel they conduct heat well on their own so this won't matter.

    Consider the service in your area.

    The only electric oven that holds a full sheet is the new wall oven by BlueStar

    BlueStar electric oven.

    This has not been out long but the few that have it seem to like it. You might want to read some of the more recent threads on gas vs electric ovens and convection. Gas has more air movement through the oven so more drying and more heat into your kitchen. This is great for roasting and browning. Add convection and you have even more drying. Electric ovens can hold onto humidity better because they are more closed and this can be a benefit for some baking especially at the beginning. You have the option of adding the fan if you need drier conditions for browning and roasting. Some have bake conv. for slow fan speed and conv roast for high speed fan. Roast cycles can also bring more heat from the top. if you have a third element ( true or European convection) it will provide more even heat on multirack cooking if the oven is designed well. Gas ovens will often have an infrared broiler but they are often narrow so look at the width of the broiler.

    Wekick what do you mean by range top versus cooktop,

    _____

    BlueStar rangetop

    Rangetops have more room for bigger pans. The knobs are on the front so you don't lose space on top. Replacing it is easier because you don't have to match a cut out.

    BlueStar cooktop

    are you a fan with a range and double ovens?

    ______

    If doing my kitchen over I would use a rangetop and two separate electric wall ovens.

    I would try to cook on any range/rangetop/oven you are considering. Read the use and care manuals very carefully.

  • 11 years ago
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    wekick is spot on! I took my jelly roll pan, cookie sheet a frying pan and 2 large pots: the things I normally use when cooking a Sunday meal. Bring your favourite pan and pot! Rejected the electrolux Icon because of issues found with the grates rocking. Awesome advice- take your things with you! You are going to be out thousands of dollars, so why not?

  • 11 years ago

    I brought a few of my larger pans to the appliance store with me when looking at different models. It really helped narrow my choices. It's been a while ago but I f I recall, the larger oven in the Monogram 48" DF range fit my large sheet pan. I would think the oven in the 36" range would do so also but didn't try it out. I ultimately decided on an induction cooktop and wall ovens so I can't provide user experience on any specific model gas cooktop or range.

  • 11 years ago

    seb255, you are right the Monogram DF does hold a full sheet according to their website. There are users experiences on this forum.

  • 11 years ago

    My approach when I went through this about two years ago was to get mid range fridge (largest LG I could find. Very happy), and mid range double ovens (whirlpool electric convection double ovens). We don't use the ovens every day, maybe once a week and so far they have been awesome, even though it's not a popular choice here.


    I I splurged on the range top since I use it every day (blue star 36" six burner - yes splurge to me is still on the reasonable end for others), and the highest end dishwasher (Bosch 800 series with third rack, although others love Meile here). I went with a middle range hood instead of a super fancy name brand because I can't understand what the differentiator is.


    Ive vey been super happy with all my decisions and nothing has let me down yet. Fingers crossed.

  • PRO
    11 years ago
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    Hi Angie, I’m Sarah and I work with Sub-Zero and Wolf. We understand how overwhelming the kitchen remodeling process can be. If you haven't already done so, we’d love to invite you to visit a showroom. Seeing our different options in person could be really helpful, and our staff is on-hand to answer any questions you may have, and are more than happy to get into the details with you. Here’s a link to find the showroom closest to you: subzero–wolf.com/locator. I’d also be happy to answer any other questions you may have.