"Are Striped Cavern and Schimmeig Hollow The Same?"

Theoretically they are the same variety with translations of Striped Cavern (a.k.a Hollow). Tom Wagner says:

"The Striped Stuffer seems to be from the same background of my clone Schimmeig Stoo from which a number of lines departed from....including the Striped Cavern"

ref: Tatermater Schimmeig breeder who released Schimmeig Stoo comment

Of course no one really knows how quickly a variety will get another name nor how true it has been maintained. But theoretically I think the answer to your question is that they should be the same.

Cheers

PC

Ok. Still not sure if I should keep them as two varieties, or the same, in terms of saving seeds....

Same background and some shared characteristics but for naming purposes and seed saving, different varieties.

Dave

That's completely your call in a case like this (meaning - if you want to save both, saving is always done with the name you receive). You bring up three contentious issues with a very simple and practical question:

1. Splitters vs. Lumpers

2. Conserving names of original releases out of respect and variety control

3. Translating names from other languages (even when they're extinct)

This is how varieties proliferate and why there are so many duplicates, orphans and otherwise copycats and named versions floating around which are not significantly novel and sometimes disrespect the person who originally took the time and effort to develop something special.

What I would do if I really wanted to go another round with both is keep them separate, and also keep tabs on performance and taste, and eliminate the one that proves less desirable from my trial and error, and only save both if there were a consistent difference. If I couldn't tell the difference after a repeat, I would save the one with the original name given by the person or company that originally released it. In this case it isn't clear cut since both are translations from the extinct Celtic language's "Schimmeig Stoo" . That language is now undergoing a small retro-revival on the Isle of Man, where it is designated an official language. This tomato was named in that vein. If I were doing a blind swap, I would not send both as separate varieties, just one of them with the name as it was given to me, because unless someone was specifically a big fan of that tomato, think it would be disappointing to receive doubles, but that is my own personal opinion.

Cheers

PC

I bought one of those from store, not knowing the name. And PC identified it.

I have saved seeds but did not grow it. Not tasty to me but can make good stuffer.

BTW: mine was plain color, no stripes.

Sey