Too big front to back or too big right to left?

Can you post pictures of the sink and the sink cabinet?

Did you mention the size of the cabinet? That makes all the difference.

I'll take a photo and post. He said it's too big front to back, crl. Size of cabinet, Carrie? I'll measure that, too.

OK, I guess the cabinets are standard 24" deep. It's hard to see the tape I put there, but here's a few pictures. In the one from the front I just pushed the sink all the way back to show how much room there is altogether. There will be an extra 1" of granite, of course, projecting out over the front edge. When I did this, there was 8" in front of the sink.

BTW, if you happen to like the hardware, & have Hobby Lobby available where you live, they have a fairly good variety of knobs & pulls available and go on sale pretty much every month for half price. These cost only 2 or 3 bucks a piece. I mean, I priced others elsewhere and you can't beat the price. They might not be as fancy as some, but they were perfect for our purposes. Just wanted to let ya know.

What's the width of the cabinet?

Width is 36". Apparently the guy didn't say the width was a problem, just the depth, Carrie.

I don't know anything, but, at least according to this link "Sinks undermounted in granite need to allow for at least 3 inches of stone around the perimeter."

I don't understand why he's saying that the sink is too deep. My Kohler cast iron undermount sink is 33" x 22" and the fabricator had no problem fitting it, front to back, in a standard 24" deep sink cab. That depth includes the flange with holes for faucet, air switch, etc. Does your sink's flange include holes? I can't tell from your photos. If it doesn't and you can't cut a hole for the faucet into the flange, then the faucet will need to sit behind the sink, which might be the issue.

I think you need to ask him exactly why he says the sink is too deep.

We have a shallower than standard sink run--old house. So in our case fitting in a sink really is a problem. I went in circles trying to solve this and the four options I came up with were an apron front sink, pulling the sink cabinet forward, a wall mount faucet or faucet on the side of the sink. I chose a kohler stages 45 sink (which is huge) and two faucets, one on each side. This is an in-progess picture of my set-up. Our remodel is ongoing so I can't say how I like it yet.

I am not saying your sink is too big. I'd be pretty surprised if it is given that you have a standard depth cabinet to work with. Just thought I would lay out my solution just in case.

I bought a blanco silgranit performa 1.75, and when my counter guy came to measure for it, he instantly said it was too deep, and wouldn't work, despite having ordered the recommended cabinet for it. Thankfully my cabinet guy was still working in my kitchen, and he brought the counter guy and the template directly to my sink cabinet. My cabinet guy was able to make a few modifications that perfectly satisfied both of them, and we still managed to get the faucet in the back.

i hope your counter guy is able to help you find a solution where you can keep your sink!

Oh, and I just wanted to say that your hardware looks like it was made for your cabinets, what a beautiful combination!

Well, Carrie, that would make it a problem for the width then, hmmm? But he said it was a depth problem. That's puzzling.

Lisa, no, I set the flange from the faucet on the sink, but the sink itself has no cut-outs. So that could be part of the problem.

crl, I really like your idea! That never occurred to me at all. I sort of wanted an apron sink, but DH hates 'em, so that wasn't an option. I really love your huge sink and I think the idea of 2 faucets on either side is innovative. OK, just ran that one by DH. He doesn't want 2 faucets. Figgers. Sigh.

And finally, jcollins, I wish we'd'a known when our cabinets were being installed, too. I mean it woulda been pretty easy for the installers to pull the cabinet out an inch or whatever at that point. I 'spose we could have them come back & pull it out now, but at what cost?

I still don't see the big problem. I do see that the sink has the 1" flange around the edges that fits under the granite and that there normally would need to be a separate hole for the faucet, but in this case it seems that they could just cut one hole for the sink with a little cut-out at the back for the faucet (all still just one hole, though), instead of making 2 separate cuts that would be unstable. There's no reason the faucet flange couldn't sit right on top of the edge of the sink flange or even cut the sink flange out by half an inch or so. It seems to me that the counter guy has no imagination and sees only one way to do everything, that's all. And even with that one way, there's still lots of room, ya know? JMO.

jcollins, thanks about the hardware. Funny thing is, I've been "collecting" the knobs & pulls for over a year b/c ya never know when Hobby Lobby will have enough in, and they quit carrying the black quite a while ago. Instead they had the same thing in a bronze and copper, so I ended up getting different colors just in case we didn't have enough. As it turned out, we didn't have enough black, but we installed a huge island and DH had them put the copper colored ones there. They look awesome.

This hardware is all heavy duty cast iron, too. I don't know, it seemed like a really great deal to me when I priced hardware elsewhere. At first I was thinking "you get what you pay for," & maybe it wasn't such a good idea? But, hey, why not? I'm kind of a big Hobby Lobby fan anyway, but I really don't see how you can beat the price on these. You do have to wait for them to go on sale half price, though.

We're calling around right now to try to figure out about the sink. If we absolutely have no choice, we'll go get a smaller one. I'm still pushing for creativity on the part of the granite guys, though. Thank you so much everybody here! You're the greatest!

crl, I had to look your sink up. It's so awesome. Wow. Next remodel I'm gonna have to keep that one in mind :)

I found the kohler stage 45 thanks to this forum. Lots of really informative posts on it--including action photos! I think I will love it.

You could always do just one faucet on the side. Or there's the wall mount option. Assuming there really is a space problem.

If your installer is objecting because it will be too difficult to move the slab once he cuts out the sink hole have him look at these pro grade products.

http://buy.omnicubed.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=20_60

OK, they talked me into the smaller sink today. Also, when I saw our copper sink in the glaring light of their showroom, I hated it! No thanks to that. It looks like fake copper or something. I think I'll choose something in a matte black instead. Have to go shopping again. I do love that big ol' Kohler stages 45 of crl's though (of course, too big), and also think the color of jcollins84's sink online looks about right. See, ya'll gave me good options even though I didn't get my way with the other sink. :)

Thanks everyone, and I'll be seein' ya around more in the future. I love this forum!

randnday T - Look at silgranit - they are wonderful sinks. Here's a link to an old thread on them including pictures of the anthracite color (matte black). Silgranit sinks

OT - _crl - That looks beautiful already! Gorgeous countertop and my favorite sink:)

I agree, Joseph, and also am stunned that I got rushed into choosing this part of it at the end of the line because I was busy and not paying enough attention. Happens every time. Yesterday it hit me that ~ not only had the sink cabinets been installed incorrectly to allow for the size of sink we'd chosen, but over a year ago I'd designed the big island to have a 1 foot (mistakenly wrote " instead of foot) overhang on 2 ends, and the granite people told us we'd have to cut it down to 9 1/2" due to not having room for 3 corbels on the long side. DH told them "no big deal" & I was out of the loop until we went to scope out their templates. I've been compromising too much already & whew! Caught it in the nick of time since they haven't cut the granite yet.

I can handle the sink business since I'm actually glad I'm not getting that copper thing after all. But the way I'd designed that island was integral to the entire design of the kitchen. Hard to explain, but there's a curve in the floor lay-out (took me a few months to talk DH into that one) & the slight curve in part of the island top was meant to echo the floor curve, as well as the way the canned lighting curves above. DH is saying "oh, you'll never even notice; it's no big deal." Uh, yes it is! It's the design!

So, the problem goes back to the guy who entered our kitchen design into the computer way back in the 1st place, saying we only needed 2 corbels on the long side. We need 3. I figured out a way we can DIY one of those metal plate corbet replacements in the middle, though, & think DH is coming around. We need the full 12" to pull off the curve.

Sorry for running on OT here, but it's all running together in my poor mixed-up addled brain at this point. :) oldbat2be, thanks for the silgranit heads up! I LOVE them! The best things to come out of all this is: 1) no ugly copper sink 2) realized I really want a huge single sink instead & 3) also realized I love the "granite composite" black sinks anyway, so yay! The kitchen will look much better. Thank you all for the great help & advice!

Congratulations randnday t. It sounds like you're making things beautiful you will enjoy for years. You need to get your team member on the same page and have him realize the high priority of good communication and absolute joint decision making responsibility necessary to get where you want to go.

Thanks & amen, dan. And #4 to add to above: realized I was going along with the UGLIEST granite, when for years I'd been saying I'd never even have granite at all, so also in the nick of time, since we've already made a down payment, at least I can choose a "leathered" finish of black that won't look so granite-y. Cryminy. How did that happen, LOL? I guess it's because we couldn't find another counter that would work that we could reasonably afford? Really, this all came about due to a year's worth of procrastination with sudden activity happening while I wasn't paying attention. I don't know of anything that could ruin a perfectly good kitchen more than a big old ugly granite island counter.

Mine are blanco siligranit metallic gray. They might look darker in the photo though, because my lighting isn't in yet. I bet anthracite would look lovely in your kitchen! I had originally planned to go ss, but this forum convinced me to go with siligranit. I can't wait to actually use them, we are so close!

I love the color of your sink, jcollins. I'm going to keep that in mind for our next house. And you're right about the anthracite for ours, but I think I'm really loving the idea of a single bowl now. They have one right up the road at Home Depot, a Franke in "composite granite" that has the faucet hole already drilled (so it won't be a problem for the counter installer.) Not even very expensive either. I can't believe how everything's changed since I 1st began whining about all this last week! Most especially I'm grateful that we came to our senses about the granite counter tops before we had the ugly stuff installed. Whewie! The leathered finish just makes sense, now that I've read up on others' comments and looked at photos.

Sounds great!

Are you doing a drop in sink? The reason why I ask is although some siligranit sinks are designed to be both drop-in and undermounted, some counter fabricators find having pre drilled holes in an undermount sink harder to install. My fabricator asked for a significant charge to install an undermount with pre drilled holes, and I found it cheaper to go with an undermount without any holes(everything is mounted only through the counter material).

Single bowl vs double bowl is quite the debate, after coming to this forum I bounced back and forth between single vs double for several weeks!

I'm so glad you are making choices you will love!

It's undermount, especially since it's all new going in. The Franke sink I'm looking at has one hole drilled for the faucet.

Boy, I getcha about the single/double debate, as well as debates on just about every other facet of kitchens imaginable! In fact, I'm gonna go start a new thread about this sink and whether it'll work or not. Feels like I've worn this one into the ground. :) Thanks Jcollins!

Good call! No problem :)

just confirm with your counter fabricator that there is no problem undermounting the sink with the faucet hole - mine wanted to charge me something like 300-500(I can't remember) extra for it, because he felt the risk was higher that he wouldn't be able to line up the holes and he would crack the sink when drilling the counter. I think he is an anomaly, but it's worth checking before you buy it! It wasn't worth it to me, so I picked an undermount only sink!

Sounds like our sink will work fine, even though the granite fabricator gave us the boot today, ha ha. That sounds like a rip-off having him charge you so much to do that sink, JC. But if it turned out OK, that's good. I know I'm happy to be rid of the guy I thought we were stuck with.

For the most part it turned out ok, but i don't think i would use him again...

it's good that you are picking your granite guy now that you have a better idea about you want.

I have a Franke black composite granite sink in my current house (went Blanco single bowl in the new build). I love it and have had no problems. I would never go back to stainless steel again. Hope you enjoy yours!

How long have you had it, chellefnp?

I've had it about 3 years. It was a top mount, installed it myself. It's a breeze to clean, just use a dish brush with some dish soap and let it dry, looks brand new.