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11 years ago

Hi! So, I'm in Yuma, AZ, and I've been trying for 2 years now to be successful at growing something edible. I have two 4' x 8' beds that I filled with the Kellogg's Garden Soil. This stuff seems mulchy, not soil-like. Anyway, it said "garden soil" so I assumed it was suitable for growing vegetables, right? Well, I installed the $20 watering kit from Lowes..the one with the little black hoses that you lay down on the soil. I turned it on for about 45 minutes to an hour every morning. The beds get about 8 - 10 hours of sunlight each day, morning, and some in the evening. I fertilized with fish emulsion (plants that needed it according to the Extreme Gardening book), and used no chemicals, and am not interested in using any chemical.

For the past two years, all of my vegetables were dwarfed. My okra got to about 2.5' tall, and I was able to get some fruit from those plants. But my beets and carrots were pitiful last year. My carrots smelled like carrots, but the part that was supposed to be edible was almost invisible! I had to squint to see the tiny root. My beets were about the size of a big marble. My lettuces did well, but I still don't think they get as big as they are supposed to. My onions didn't do anything. And my broccoli took FOREVER to get just 3 florets!! (of course I ate them right there in the garden) What am I doing wrong?!! I plant according to the plant schedule in Extreme Gardening by Dave Owens, and another Arizona gardening book.


I'm thinking it's my soil, but why would the bag say "garden soil" if vegetables hate it? It gets hard as a rock too, which makes it hard to move around. I feel like soil should be soft and fluffy. What about my watering? I have read that slow, long waterings are best.


Any advice is appreciated! I am planning on starting my beets, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, garlic, kale, other lettuces, onions, and spinach next month (which is apparently correct, according to my gardening books).

Comments (9)

  • 11 years ago

    Also, the beds are 12" deep and it's on the north side of my house. I get blazing sun all day in the summer, but only about 6 hours of sun in the winter, I've noticed.

  • 11 years ago

    Thank you! I thought it was the soil. Yes, I know that is a lot. My husband is going to build me another bed, but I might need two if my lettuces would grow as big as they are supposed to! Okay, so I can add to it since it's only about 6" deep right now (I guess it seeped out over the summer?). I'll start making egg shell meal and I have the Down to Earth All-Purpose fert and some fish bone meal from the same brand..should I toss those things in too? I knew I should have just mixed my own, but I couldn't find one of the ingredients at the local big box gardening store. Darn.


  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Soil is everything!

    It is a good idea to add organic matter to your soil 3-6 inches 2-3 times a year (compost, manure, shredded leaves, pine needles). Add the organic matter 2-3 weeks before planting and water the organic material thoroughly.

    If you do not want to wait that time, add nitrogen (Organic=fish emulsion/blood meal, coffee grounds/Inorganic=Ammonium nitrate, ammonium sulfate)to your organic matter when you add it to the soils. Remember that the 3 numbers on a fertilizer bag equal the nitrogen/phosphorus and Potassium contained in that product. the higher the first number , the more nitrogen you will be adding. Nitrogen and phosphorus are needed by annual veggie and plants.

    To alleviate sodium build up which is common to our soils, you can add soil sulfur :0 Remember, if you see earth worms in your soils it is time to celebrate!

    Amber (10a) thanked User
  • 11 years ago

    I have never seen anything but ants in my beds. =(

  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I cannot be sure. But Kellogg Garden Soil for Vegetables is not
    intended for 100% soil but as a native soil supplement (amendment). I
    would guess your vegetables are starved for minerals. Fortunately your
    native soil is loaded with all the minerals a plant could want and is
    free. I prefer no more than 40% amendment to native soil. Be sure it
    is mixed into a homogeneous mix or the water won't infiltrate properly.

    12-18" is fine. Need some depth to hold more water, stay cooler.
    Either do not plant within 6" from the sides in summer or shade sides.

    If that soil is getting hard it may be the salts in your water. You
    should flush every six months or even more frequent to see if you can
    stop that phenomenon. You normally water to a depth of 12". Daily in
    summer many be needed especially if you don't mulch. Really, buy a soil
    moisture meter ($10) as they work remarkably well.

    Poor location in winter. If it is next to your home on the north side
    you cannot be getting any sun in the winter. Need 8 hours; maybe six in
    our area due to photo intensity. The fact your lettuces did well points
    to lack of sunlight as a possibility since they need less than most
    plants.

    Fish emulsion is fine. Essentially supplies nitrogen which is usually
    in short supply in the SW. But be sure to do it according to directions
    as overdoing it can effectively shift to promote green leaf production.

    Some of those species could be planted now. Plant each species in small
    groups 2 weeks apart so you can harvest over time. I am a big believer
    in using local or nearby seed suppliers especially when first starting out.
    It takes one season to adapt seeds for outside the state suppliers; not a
    big deal, but the F1 (next year's seeds) are noticeably adapted
    [assuming you are using heirlooms]. If you are using hybrids then it doesn't matter the source.

    http://www.kellogggarden.com/products/kellogg/soils/?s=all-natural-garden-soil - what you bought?

    http://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/pubs/az1615.pdf - Yuma planting calender

    https://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/pubs/az1435-2015.pdf - garden tips for the arid SW

    Contact your Master Gardener program for help:
    https://extension.arizona.edu/users/staceyb - you really need a local consult

    http://extension.arizona.edu/yuma-robert-j-moody-demonstration-garden

    http://extension.arizona.edu/yuma-urban-horticulture

    http://wateruseitwisely.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Landscape-Watering-Guide.pdf - watering

    Amber (10a) thanked Fascist_Nation
  • 11 years ago

    I will also chime in and say the soil is almost certainly the cause. My suggestions would be to add a bit of native soil if possible. Add a small amount of bark chips and pumice to create some soil structure that will hold air, help reduce compaction and improve drainage. Then if you need it to be ready to plant in quickly, add some fully composted manure and high quality compost and maybe a bit of Azomite along with a slow release fertilizer granual.

    If you have some time before planting, try to find a local manure source that you can allow to decompose for a little while. Also add some shredded leaves and some compost for even more nutrients. Then try a cover depending on the time you have. Buckwheat takes 30 days, most clovers take 3-4 months. Once they are done, cut off the greens leaving the roots to decompose in the bed and use the tops as mulch to continue adding additional sources of green manure.

    From there you can add tons of other things. Coffee grounds, egg shells, chicken manure, ... Each provides different sets of nutrients. Even buy a thing of fishing earthworms and throw them in to improve aeration and have worm castings always being created.

    Your soil is what you make it. I try to have as wide variety of inputs as possible to insure nothing is lacking. Then hopefully you can start composting and have the absolute most beneficial additive available in a much higher quality product than anything bagged is. Add more to beds when you change seasonal crops and keep your soil mulched with things that will slowly work thier way in and provide constant nutrients.

    Amber (10a) thanked Brandon
  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    ambro... Yep throw in all that stuff (fish meal etc)mix it up really good with what you have. You also might try a couple bags of top soil it tends to be heavy and dark to build up the dirt in the bed. Mix it in good. Remember chicken or steer manure is hot and you must let it set for at least a month before seeds. You also will need to add soil/stuff every year. I think everyone is in agreement about what MAKES good soil, so go for it. Good Luck Camp Verde

    Amber (10a) thanked campv 8b AZ
  • 11 years ago

    So, about this native soil...I'm thinking I'll have to go somewhere other than my house and dig..haha. I live in a new subdivision that is covered with filler dirt. We dug down about 2 ft for the sprinkler system and there were no signs of life..just reddish brown dirt. Could I use this? I can wait a month or two to plant and I am guessing that lettuces are probably the best bet for the location of the beds this time of year since I only get about 6-8 hours of sunlight in the winter. Okay, improve the soil! That is my first priority! Thanks so much for all the advice on how to do that! I think I'm going to have to throw it out because it's super hard and I can't break it apart.


    @Fascist_Nation, what do you mean flush? How do I do this? Thanks!

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