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Top soil types and uses?

10 years ago
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Please have patience with this rube asking about top soil. I have two questions. First, if you need top soil but don't buy it bagged, how do you know that's what you've bought? I live in Alabama and my sloped yard is mostly made of clay – – hard as concrete with rocks of all sizes. I would like to try raised bed gardening. At my request, my husband built a short retaining wall and ordered a dump truck of topsoil to level out part of the sloped area and increase our garden capability. To me, the soil that was delivered seems more like screened fill dirt. I expected it to be black in color but it is not at all, and is only slightly less difficult to work with than our original clay. I expected that it would have visible organic matter but it doesn't. Husband says he ordered top soil, so what we got was topsoil. I am not convinced. I planted a few shrubs and even mixed in some bagged garden soil, but everything died. Part two of my question: What are different ways to use bagged top soil (aside from as really good fill dirt)? After the delivery dirt fiasco, I asked hubby to buy bags of garden soil and potting mix, as I wanted another shot at a smaller raised bed, as well as several large potted plants. He returned with a pickup truck loaded solely with bagged top soil. I have no idea how to use it, and I don't want to waste it. When I sent him for the potting mix and garden soil, it was a sort of an emergency. Thinking I had enough bags of these, I prematurely began transplanting tomato plants, removing them all from their cramped pots. Also, a large lily plant -- next in line for attention -- rolled down the hill and fell out of its pot. Desperate, I mixed my other soils with the top soil and hoped for the best. I got the worst. Now, how might I get some use of the dozens of bags of topsoil that now litter my property? Can I use it at all in potted plants, in any ratio? A side note: the bagged top soil is of the brand name American Countryside. I can find no info on it. A web search shows that it was once carried by Walmart, but no more. No reviews are posted. I saw that discounted bags can be purchased via Alibaba, a web site which (IIRC) specializes in cheap, Chinese imports. . Thank you for any advice on my gardening misadventures.

Comments (4)

  • 10 years ago

    "First, if you need top soil but don't buy it bagged, how do you know that's what you've bought?"

    The short answer is you don't. 'Topsoil' is really a very generic term that when applied to any bagged soil could mean anything. Technically, topsoil is the top 4-6 inches of undisturbed, indigenous soil - what occurs naturally before any cultivation or development takes place. It could be any soil of any quality as long as it fits that definition - very rocky soil, clay soil, soil devoid of any significant organic matter or soil that is filled with roots and weeds. There is no magic formula for topsoil nor any necessary advantage to having, obtaining or even planting in it.

    It IS possible that what is sold as bagged "topsoil" may be just that.......or it could be fill or anything else the supplier filled the bags with and is calling topsoil. Since there are no regulations governing what is sold as bagged soils - or even bulk soils for that matter - there is no guarantee that what you are going to get is going to be at all suited to your soil improvement or planting needs. And as stated previously, topsoil itself is no magic elixir for plant growth.

    btw, unless the bag is labeled clearly for container use or as "potting" soil (actually a soil-less mix), then you do not want to use for any potted plants. It will not offer adequate drainage or aeration necessary for container growth

    rojonogo thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 10 years ago

    Thanks, Gardengal48. That explains a lot.

  • 10 years ago

    You can make topsoil, by adding organic material to what you have, or you can buy good soil if you know what to buy. But buying something called "topsoil" is not a good thing to do most often. Perhaps this article might be of some help.

    http://www.ncagr.gov/agronomi/pdffiles/sfn14.pdf

    Most people I have talked with over the years think that "topsoil" is loam and it is not. Loam is composed of sand, silt, and clay mineral particles and organic matter, but for gardens the most important part of the mix is organic matter. Take a good look at the soil you have, especially the amount of organic matter, and work on making that better by adding enough organic material so you end up with about 6 to 8 percent organic matter in the soil.

    Organic material is what you add to soil, the vegetative waste. Organic matter is the residual of that after the Soil Food Web digests that organic material.

    kimmq is kimmsr

  • 10 years ago

    Very important to examine whatever you're buying first, whether it's in bulk or in a bag.

    As you can see there are two components to soil: the mineral part and the organic matter. You got a truckload of the former without much of the latter. Fortunately it can be improved with additions of compost and other organic matter.

    You can certainly add that bagged topsoil to the garden beds, but don't use it for potting. You also need a lot of compost. Get a truckload - LOOK AT IT FIRST :-] to check for trash and make sure it's fully composted and nicely screened. You shouldn't be able to see uncomposted stuff in it - sticks, leaves, etc. Or buy it in bags, but again, find a torn bag and look inside. Basically you get what you pay for with compost. The cheapest is not always the best. Till this in. If it's a veggie bed, do that every year. At least an inch per year. Use decomposable organic mulches on your beds, pile them on year after year - shredded leaves, grass clippings, shredded yard waste mulch, wood chips. The soil food web will digest them and improve your soil even if it's planted with perennials and you can't till or dig it. It takes time, but it will get better.

    Read up in this forum on 'clay soil' and you'll find some other things to do and not to do.

    Good luck and report back and let us know how you're doing.