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Some really pretty tea

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

Hey, I hope you can help me out! I know teas can be very difficult to ID, but I'll try my best to describe it well. Do ask anything I may forget to cover.

Well, let's start with the bloom:

It's a creamy soft yellow and it seems to turn bright pink with sunlight exposure. The guard petals may have a creamy green tint at times.

The colors were more vibrant than what I could capture, it was night time, sorry.

I counted 55 petals.

Here's all of the variation:

No scent, or maybe a very slight gardenia/wet grass scent. It could just be the humidity here, though.

Urn, almost florist-like, to shallow-cupped and quartered.

Common yellow stamen. Shapely calyx.

Very big, here it is in comparison with my hand:

And in the unfurled stage it's about the size of a ping pong ball.

The blooms are delivered in an almost 90 degree angle. I wouldn't call it a weak neck, since they don't hang, it's holding them and if you tap it it bounces back, so they're just that way.

I think it's cute.

Now, the canes.

Young ones get maroon, I think, with sunlight (Maroon canes are one of my all-time favorite traits in roses! does that have a more proper name?)

No prickles whatsoever!!! I actively searched in the mother plant for a thorn, anywhere, and couldn't find any, not even on the undersides of leaves nor the peduncles.

The segments are very straight, not only in my cuttings, I looked at most of them in the plant.

Here's some branching:

They look so gracious!

Now, leaves:

Notice the leaflets are elongated, and the defined veining, the color is lighter than shown, it's olive green. On the undersides, like I said it's smooth too and the color is a glaucous maroon. You can see it in the branching picture above.

On the plant itself:

It is shaped like an actual tree, maybe taller than 2.5 meters and the cup is around 1.5 meters wide. With a trunk of maybe 50 cm in diameter(?) those are all approximations.

Doesn't set OP hips.

Lot's of blooms, thornless from tip to toe, healthy. It is the single most beautiful rose bush I've seen in my life so far, it's only "defect" seems to be the lack of scent.

I'm excited about experimenting on crosses with it. I have two rooted cuttings of it, very young. One is developing it's first bud as of now.

I'm not sure it actually is a tea, but that's what it looks like to me...

Thanks for reading all of this and for your help! :)

Comments (13)

  • 10 years ago

    Marie Van Houtte looks very, very similar in bloom, foliage, and habit. If anyone who has it could chime in, I can't tell from hmf pics if it is entirely smooth, like this is.

  • 10 years ago

    Very pretty whatever it is. Maybe if you post this or a link to this thread over on the Antique Rose Forum someone might be able to help you better. I only have a handful of teas, and none of mine are what you have there. Good luck!

    rosaceae thanked bethnorcal9
  • 10 years ago

    Does the plant live in Mexico? And do you have a general idea of how old the plant might be?

    It's a lovely rose, and I agree that it looks like a Tea, but I wouldn't rule out the possiblity of an early Hybrid Tea.

    Thanks for sharing the photos, and good luck with getting an ID.

    Virginia

  • 10 years ago
    Yes, It's a few blocks from my house, but I hadn't noticed it until a few months ago.
    Because of the size and woody trunk, it's been there a good while, but I can't tell you just how much : /
  • 10 years ago

    I'm of no help but I am interested to see what it is as well. The color is so delicate and refined. I love tea roses and the size of the bloom is very appealing. I'm in SoCal, so if it grows by you, it will grow by me. Good luck in IDing it. I'll be keeping an eye out to see what it turns out to be. Lisa

  • 10 years ago

    At first sight I thought of Marie van Houtte, but that is a very thorny rose, with numerous prickles that can carry to the bracts at the base of the flower stems, according to the authors of 'Tea Roses Old Roses For Warm Gardens'. I have it growing and the scratches to prove it! I would suggest looking at Mrs Dudley Cross as a possible ID.

  • 10 years ago

    I tried to get a decent photo of my bush but it is very overcast today so only managed this. Even the leaf stems have small hooked prickles (and the definition is poor because this is an iPad camera shot).

    sorry, the best I could do. Melodye

    rosaceae thanked ozmelodye
  • 10 years ago

    I'm wondering if it's just me, but I do see some similarities- especially the foliage- to 'Mrs Dudley Cross'. This photo looks rather like your first photo, but I think it's a mistake to rely too much on bloom color with roses, and especially with Teas, since they can be so variable.

    Have a look at the wide variations of bloom color and shape, though, in the other photos to see if this strikes you as a good possibility.

    I understand that it isn't your plant, but if you could manage to get a photo of the whole shrub without too much 'background' in the photo that might identify the property, that might be helpful.

    http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.108546

    I am just now looking at Melodye's post above (I scanned it before, but not carefully enough), and seeing that she also has 'MDC' in mind, so now I feel a bit more confident in my suggestion.

    Good luck,

    Virginia



  • 10 years ago

    PS Here is an old GW thread about 'Mrs DC' with good info and beautiful photos:

    http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1704977/is-mrs-dudley-cross-a-must-have

    I noticed that she is considered thornless, and not very fragrant... kinda like "your" rose!

  • 10 years ago

    Melodye, thank you for the picture, it's alright, I can appreciate the hooks in the rachis, so that is discarded.

    And Virginia, in that picture the foliage is nearly identical! Though I haven't seen it with that much BS, but it might be my climate. Very rarely do I see BS in one or two leaves of my plants, isolated, as though the weather won't allow it to spread. Eventually it goes away without making further damage.

    I checked on the other pictures and there's a good chance it is Mrs DC.

    The comments on hmf are also very, very applicable to what I have, especially this one:

    That's very accurate!

    As for the thread here, it makes sense that people from Dallas and San Antonio say it performs well for them, when it too does great here, we're only 5 hours apart.

    They also mention it being entirely, absolutely thornless, even in the rachis.

    Interestingly in that thread someone mentions Mrs Dudley being a sport of Marie Van Houtte, whilst in hmf it's parentage is not known...

    The only thing that didn't quite match was the petal count on hmf (17-25). My count was 50+, but I counted petalloids too. When you count petals are you supposed to count those too? Or just the bigger, outer, fully formed ones?

    I think I can safely settle it down as Mrs Dudley Cross. I'll keep an eye out for anything, but I'm pretty convinced this is it.

    Thank you both!

  • 10 years ago

    Looks like my Mrs. DC

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks all for your help, just to close the thread off, Virginia, you asked for some entire bush pics, here they are, I tried to make them as discrete as possible, if you see anything troublesome that I might have missed, tell me to take it down right away:

    It was pruned rather heavily about two months ago and it looks a bit lop-sided, but it will fill out. It usually has more blooms, too. I was mistaken about the trunk being a single, huge one, I guess every time I saw it I was much too distracted with the top... but the ensemble whole does make a 50 cm radius more or less...

    Close-up of some flowers:

    Some BS:

    I found a single prickle! Prickl-a-boo!

    And this is what the flower I cut in tight bud opened to in the vase:

    Once again, thank you lots!