I remember reading your issues recently over on AW... I also remember CR rating Pure wash as may as well just be washing in water...but don't remember what year thst was. ...I will say that your wad her needs detergent in order to keep it clean..detergent isn't just for cleaning clothes. ...your washer also needs hot water at least a few times a week.. How do you keep your bed sheets from becomming yellowed and stinky because cold water will not remove body oils.

You like scent free so I'd go for the ALL free powder with STPP and hot or very warm water. Your Queen will give true hot but warm will be just tepid almost cool.

I forgot to say...cold water washing isn't going to get you very far that may be why you haven't noticed a difference. .also wasn't it you that was washing whites and colors ..mixed loads and all done in one load?

Welcome to The Laundry Room. .you will get a lot of help here

When your washer fills up clothes and water. Add one scoop of STPP let it agitate a minute than feel the water..it should feel slippery if it isn't add more until it feels slippery than add the detergent.

Ecover Zero is a good detergent. One of the best 'green' ones IMHO. It contains peroxide and enzymes, so the only additive i would do would be perhaps some pretreating of stains and STPP

If you have a musty washer, I would suggest a good hot fill and soak with either the oxi clean, some citric acid, or chlorine bleach to kill off the mildew

I don't wash in cold water. 'Warm' water is typically about 80-95 degrees. If clothing can take body heat of 98.6, then i don't see how water cooler than that can damage it, plus it works better on oils and dissolving the detergent. I like to do at least 1 load of whites in hot water a week to help keep the machine clean. I've haven't had any issues ever with mustiness, even in a front loader

There's a couple liquid options that come with pumps for dosing. Method (available at target and online) and one I like, Puracy (they have a website and amazon). Puracy comes unscented and I think now a sandalwood rose scent. It's 10x concentrated, so it's gives a lot of loads for a pretty small bottle (about the size of bottled water)

In general, I like to use the least product necessary to do the job to combat buildup. I use STPP to help increase the effectiveness of the detergent. I also rarely use softener, which many associate with dirty machines, especially if you don't wash with hot often.

I've found on here that everyone has different experiences with different products. You just need to find products and dosages that work for you

IMO If those PureWash mechanisms were valid they would take over the world and put detergent manufacturers out of business. Hasn't happened.

I don't wash anything in water less than ~85°F, and that isn't often. My tap-cold water reaches approx that temp during summer months so I couldn't wash in lower temps then unless I somehow refrigerated the water supply. My warm range is 102°F to 115°F.

"One scoop" of STPP doesn't provide clarity on exactly how much to use (a "scoop" is what amount exactly??). Try a tablespoon at a time (dissolve fully) until the "slippery" water condition is noted. Higher fill levels of course require a larger dose. For reference, I use 1 to 2 tablespoons in my HE toploader (larger loads take more water even in an HE machine). I've never checked for the slippery dosage level, I just settled on 1 to 2 tbsp as a reasonable amount against the detergent dose.

Sorry Dadoes but this was discussed with 9xvq on another thread..he's using the scoop that came with his STPP ..he knew what I ment even if no oneelse did.

I would add the STPP and start feeling f or slipperiness...that's the only way to to know if your using enough..not enough isnt going to do a thing and too much is wasteful.

To clarify, my wash water is "slippery" at the STPP dosages I referenced ... I just haven't checked what may be the minimum dosage that'll result in slipperiness. Adding a little more STPP than is needed for slippery water isn't a bad thing ... remember that there're laundry soils involved that can benefit beyond the water conditioning aspect. I'm dosing more along the concept of approx 1/3 to 1/2 STPP ratio to the amount of detergent.

9xvq..was adding a scoop (the one that came with the stpp) but didn't notice any difference in washed clothing. He probably needs more than someone with a HE. Machine as he has a full fill and unless I'm wrong is used to doing very large over loads.

Dadoes 1/3 sounds good...but than again years ago there was often up to 50% phosphates in the detergent. I use more than is needed to condition water at times when I'm doing special loads. Yes phosphates do much more than condition water...I just figured why rush him with too much info on this product lol.

If I could only choose one additive it would be phosphates. Once in awhile I don't use it and I notice a difference, the clothes don't seem quite as soft, which tells me its doing its job.

9xvq..I went back an re read your other post..I read you wrong you only used 1/4 of the scooper that came with the STPP is that correct?

Can't offer a suggestion on dosing and whatnot for a TL machine as I don't like them (that's putting it mildly).

But can offer one suggestion for the large detergent bottles like you get at Costco, Sams, etc. If you don't like the mess from the cup just toss it into the washer with the clothes. We do it when it gets messy and it comes out clean with your clothes. Depending on where it ends up during spin it may be a little deformed but it doesn't affect it.

Couldn't it get caught on something and cause a problem with the washer? It is hard plastic.

I use a babys bootie sock and slip it over the spout to catch drips.

I know that is what All used to suggest, to measure and drop the cup into the machine. Then remove(of course) before the dryer. Would work really well in a TL and I have done it in FL but I put it in a small mesh bag, then put in tub. That way the bag is easier to spot. The small one I have is blue so you can't miss it( from dollar tree).

My sister washed the cup all the time with her SQ TL. Now she has a FL so she just uses the drawer.

I believe the back of the ALL containers in small print it says to unscrew the spout and toss in washer..not the cup/cap. Personally I wouldn't put either in my washer. Rinses out easily enough in the sink. I would think some of these cups are heavy enough to cause problems. Strange things can happen inside a washer.

@mamapinky0
Yes, I used 1/4 scoop because I really had no idea how much to use. I
will try a full scoop this coming weekend when I do laundry again.

I
honestly never had heard of or thought of running the measuring cup
through the washer with the load. I will have to try that, probably
better than guessing each time. That said, I also plan to try a powdered
detergent once I use up the All - there's a significant number of
people online who seem to think you should at least compare the
performance, and I still think the scoop would be less messy for me.

I've never had a laundry room with a sink, it's a production to get out to the kitchen from the Washer / Dryer and even more so with a messy detergent cup. Otherwise I would have already used that solution!

Well, onward and upward.

Lol...you can premix powder detergent with the stpp so its always ready...just mix 2 parts detergent to 1 part STPP stir well than add enough of this to make your water slippery..you can not do this with liquid detergent.

Many people that get into the insides of washers report the exclusive use of liquid detergent causes build up of junk on washer parts that's why liquid detergent should be avoided as a daily driver. Liquid does have its place in the laundry room though...liquid detergent does better on oil/ grease (in hot water) and powders better on everything else. A few tips ...try using hot water at least on whites, bed sheets and towels. Or at least very warm which your Queens setting for warm is going to give you tepid not warm so you will have to fill part way on warm than switch it over to hot. Water temps play a huge role on how clean your clothes are getting and how clean your washers staying. Sort your clothes...I know this one might be a challenge for you lol...but you really will notice a difference. And don't over load that Queen, they arnt designed to keep up with heavy and hard to turn over loads besides clothes can't get clean if they can't turn over properly. I think you will enjoy your new Speed Queen once you get the hang of wadhing in a new way lol...my Speed Queen top loader AWN432 Is now almost 5 months old and I love it.

Never had a problem running the measuring cup through the machine. Did it on our ancient TL and for years with our FL's. Worst I've seen it is deformed a bit from the spin pressure and it pups back into shape. I guess it would be no worse than the Downy balls or other plastic fabric softener dispensers that get tossed in.

Other than that we rotate detergents - sometimes powder, sometimes liquid, sometimes pacs. I think that helps both clothes and machine.

My jug of Era does not instruct to remove or clean the spout. It does unscrew but there's initial resistance from a "lock" so I doubt removal of it is intended.

The snap-on measuring cap, however, does state to "Toss in Wash or Rinse After Use." I've never done put it into the washer -- I rinse the cap in the fill stream -- but it's unlikely the measuring cap would cause any damage to the machine. I also saved a cap from a previous bottle and may swap them on use to catch a drip from the spout.

Thanks Dadoes...who woulda thunk...lol