On Ludwig's SA website it is known as Brumilda van Rensburg (with a few extra photos) under the Antico Moderno roses. Huge flowers. Cabbage shaped with somewhat frilly outer petals. Creamy pink colour and it used to be available as a cut/ florist rose as well. I admired it for a long time but eventually bought Roberto Capucci instead.

I noticed today that Ludwig's website changes Delbard's rose names, perhaps legally, I don't know. If you read the full description sometimes they list the trade name (i.e. DELparfrou) which may, or may not, have an HMF profile... but it's easier to find than 'Count Dracula'.

Honestly many not all of his roses appear to be either florist roses or ones that are no longer sold by the breeder such as Kordes. Thats why I believe we are not going to see any new Tantau roses. They may just buy the rights to sell certain roses when they are offered by say Kordes, Tantau and others. They are a different type of seller than we are used to.

Some of these might be very good roses. We all remember the fine roses discarded before their time by Mr. Austin and by Jackson Perkins. I wonder if Ludwig's would be interested in keeping some of the "superceeded" Austins in commerce. Ludwig does not seem to have any sort of contract with Mr. Austin. I agree that the newer Tantaus, from Mr. Christian Evers, seem very interesting indeed.

Hi all,

Thanks for your help. Romogen, I tried searching HMF for the Delbard name, DELludpink, but nothing came up. Whatever name it goes by, this is one gorgeous rose.

Here's the full catalog. Your rose is on page 5:

https://issuu.com/anjataschner/docs/ludwigs150901_e-catalague_smaller

Ludwig Taschner is very highly regarded in South Africa. He trained in Europe prior to starting his rose farm in 1971 and thanks to his passion and love for roses has done an incredible amount to promote roses and share his knowledge in South Africa. As LG said, he conducts numerous trials for overseas suppliers every year and now stocks over 1,000 varieties here. His SA website provides a lot more info that might interest you: http://www.ludwigsroses.co.za/resources/us/

Regarding the different names used here versus overseas, my understanding is that he legally provides names that he believes will appeal to South Africans. French names, which would be hard for most people to remember, are given an English or local name. My understanding is that this is common practice in the rose industry. For example one of the best known roses is the gorgeous Eden rose launched by Meilland in 1985. It was initially launched as Pierre de Ronsard in France, but Eden in England, the US and South Africa.

If you cannot find a name on the Helpmefind website, try the Royal Horticultural Society's website.

mcnastarana - Ludwig's does sell David Austin roses in South Africa, but I doubt they would be permitted to do so in the USA, as there already is a supplier with those rights in the US.

Really fascinating info! And I read it while eating a "Joburg" brand beef sausage...

Thanks for reviving the thread.

It's a pleasure Sylvia! I have a passion for roses, and Ludwig is one of my "heroes", so I couldn't resist.

I'm trying to decide on a red climbing rose for my driveway wall and landed by chance on this thread looking for options (discovered in the process that Count Dracula is Delbard's Republique de Montmartre) :)

Dina. Always so nice to have another rose fanatic on the forum that is not from across the Atlantic, the Indian ocean or the equator to compare notes with :-) I enjoy all the posts, gardens and vast amounts of knowledge and expert advice on this forum tremendously and it is so nice to know that others South Africans share in this treasure. I agree, Ludwig is also one of my heroes :-) :-) :-)

Thanks LG!!! So nice to hear :) I'm totally addicted to Houzz, such a fabulous resource for decor and landscaping ideas. I love the 'Stories' but had forgotten there was a Garden Forum, so this is a great intro to this section.

For anyone who is thinking of Calm Composure, especially in the current feeding frenzy with Ludwigs and Anja (I'm one of you!)... here's some helpful info I found on Calm Composure DELludpink. Hope it helps you out! (I also provided this info to HMF and requested it to be researched & added). :)

http://www.ludwigsroses.co.za/flower/brumilda-van-rensburg/

Under the Ludwigs category of Antico Moderna:

Brümilda van Rensburg DELludpink

" Bearing beautiful, huge, long stemmed flowers in abundance, with fragrance and an unblemished longevity on bush or in the vase. The blooms’ colour is a delicate pink on the outside petals blending pleasantly with the distinct rose pink of the inside petals that deepens towards the centre. Modern urn shaped pointed buds keep on expanding as the inner petals unfold displaying an admiringly quartered bloom.

The bush has an extraordinary willingness to re-sprout from the base and the older wood, each stem just carrying one big bloom, providing colour and class. The neat upright growth habit easily reaches 2m. The disease resistant leaves decorate this ornamental rose from base to tip for most of the year. A true eco-chicTM rose.

The rose was named, the year 2009, in honor of the well known South African actress and public speaker 'Brümilda van Rensburg' "

Eco-chic (Ludwigs ladybug icon): Genetic disease resistance. Performs without needing to be sprayed.

Expected to grow above head height.

Quartered rosette.

Moderate fragrance.

Free flowering.

Good for cut flowers.

Classic exhibition (for those competing) with equal symmetry.