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Old rose I.D. help

10 years ago

I'm no expert, guys! Can anyone help me figure out what this rose is? It was possibly planted sometime between the 1930s and 50s, and the owner always just called it an "old rose". It's so pretty! The color of the blooms changes depending on the weather/temperature; right now it's very medium pinky peach, but when it's hot it bleaches to almost white. I've seen it as a delicate medium pink also without the peachy tones. It does seems to rebloom but I wouldn't say it's always in bloom. It has a lovely fragrance, and it does have some thorns but nothing crazy. Right now it's about 6 or 7 feet tall. I'm attaching pics. Anyone know what this might be? (I would say the pic of the bloom is a little darker and peachier than the blooms usually are.)




Comments (27)

  • 10 years ago

    Melanie, Where is z9 NO?

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Sheila, that's New Orleans, LA.

  • 10 years ago

    And oops! Somehow one of my pics didn't attach. Here is a leaf detail:


  • 10 years ago

    The story is this...the rose is in front of a neighbor's house that recently changed ownership. I have no idea if the new owners will want to keep this rose, but I'm thinking of writing them a note asking to keep it if they decide to remove it. It would help me to know what it is, though!

  • 10 years ago

    Beautiful rose. Looks like some sort of hybrid tea to me, but I am also no expert. The good news is that it likes your climate - that is why it has survived there so long! The first thing I would do is to take cuttings. I would take my clippers, ring the doorbell, and if someone answered I would ask permission (good way to meet your new neighbors, too!). If no one answers I would cut off perhaps three 7-8 inch long cuttings. Make sure they have hips, finished blooms, or blooms on the end of them. That will not hurt the rose at all. Then look on here and the web about how to root them.

    That is a much safer way than to leave a note, and hope that if they take out the rose they will do it properly. If you want to leave a note, I would volunteer to dig the rose up for them and take it away if they do not want it.

    This rose needs saving and/or propagating!

    Jackie

  • 10 years ago

    I'm going to try to get a few more pics of it today. I don't think that bloom is necessarily representative of what it normally looks like. Maybe I'll also bring my clippers!

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    When you get your clippers you could bring along a ruler to measure how wide across the blossoms are. Also you could check if it is fragrant. That would help. Meanwhile, I am just throwing out a possible suggestion: Tiffany, because it is very very tough and endures incredible neglect,. Tiffany's blossoms are usually a bit more formal and they are large. Color is right, though.

    mlle_melanie thanked monarda_gw
  • 10 years ago

    Here is a link for Tiffany on HMF:

    http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/plants.php?searchNmTyp=5&searchNm=Tiffany&rid=3755&sbSearch=SEARCH&tab=1

    If there are any buds on the bush when you next go, pls take close-ups of several. Tiffany appears to have gorgeous buds - that might help.

    Jackie


  • 10 years ago

    It looks a lot like Tea rose to me.

  • 10 years ago

    It looks a lot like Tea rose to me

    Yes.

    If you look at the FAQ on the rose i.d. forum here it tells how to present a rose in such a way as for viewers to get the complete picture of what it is like.

  • 10 years ago
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    Although I am no expert, I also thought tea. My guess is Duchesse de Brabant. Based on the color:

    "The color of the blooms changes depending on the weather/temperature;
    right now it's very medium pinky peach, but when it's hot it bleaches to
    almost white. I've seen it as a delicate medium pink also without the
    peachy tones."

    and the fragrance: " It has a lovely fragrance"

    and the apparent long life in a southern location like New Orleans. I know that Duchesse de Brabant has been found growing neglected and growing on its own here in Texas.

    'Duchesse de Brabant' Synonyms: 'Comtesse de Labarthe' comes to mind. It is one of the few tea roses that is fragrant to most people. It is also pretty variable in color and petal count, based upon location,conditions and time of year. Since the base of the plant is so crowded by the liriope, I would guess that the rose hasn't received any special care for a while, and may not be producing as full flowers as it could. This is just my guess, and may be wrong.

  • 10 years ago
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    Looks like a Tea although the upright stems may also point to it being some sort of early HT. No, it doesn't look like DdB to me but maybe the pics are misleading.

  • 10 years ago
    In looking at pics of Duchesse de Brabant, I think that's a great suggestion. My neighbor's rose is indeed rather neglected, so not the healthiest representative. I will try to get better pics today, and so sorry if I somehow didn't do this quite right. The pics I took originally were hastily taken as I walked by on my way somewhere else on a schedule. Thanks everyone for the input so far!
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    10 years ago

    its really nice the pink one.@jacqueline9CA thanks for the sharing this. Its wonderful and pretty .

  • 10 years ago
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    I really think DdB might be it. Jacquelyn, the pics I just took are super similar to the ones you just posted. Dark pink, elongated buds, thin, wrinkly newish leaves, some cup-shaped blooms; all very similar. My neighbor's bush has some hips right now, does yours? I haven't looked at any of these pics inside yet, and I was having trouble getting them in focus, so I apologize in advance. I tried to show the variety of the blooms, lighter and darker pink, more and fewer petals etc. Got some new growth too. (This is surprisingly hard to do from my phone!) I'll post what I have.

  • 10 years ago
    I don't think even a third of the pics posted. Is the max 4 per post? I'll try to post more.
  • 10 years ago

    Yes, these pics do indeed look like DdB.

  • 10 years ago
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    I've occasionally wondered if "Arcadia Louisiana Tea" might be a light-colored sport of DdB (or a darker sport of 'Mme Joseph Schwartz'!), but I haven't grown any of these roses, so don't know if there are obvious differences.

    Whatever it is, it's lovely, and I hope you do manage to root a piece and/or rescue the original plant.

    Virginia

  • 10 years ago

    I always thoroughly enjoy walking by this rose, and I think I will have to at least try to get a cutting. The plant itself is HUGE, y'all. It has grown into a very interesting shape with one large stem (like at least 4" thick) growing completely horizontally along the ground so that it looks like 2 plants that take up that whole bed. I'm pretty sure it's just one plant, though. I couldn't get into the bush far enough to see how big around the base is.

    I have a much larger yard than I used to (when space was too challenging to plant larger roses), so I should be able to find a good spot for it. I will be posting the rest of the pics now, maybe in multiple posts. Thanks for all the help, everyone! Keep it coming!





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  • 10 years ago

    I'd say average bloom size is 3"-3.5" across.

  • 10 years ago

    I forgot to post the only fully closed bud I captured. Not in great focus, but oh well.

  • 10 years ago

    I do now also think it is DdB. Here are 3 more pics of mine. The hips on mine started out green, but are now orange. Watch yours to see what they do. Some of your pics show partially red, sort of flopped over new growth - mine does too.

    For fun, count the petals. We have discovered that in Calif there are 2 types of DdB bushes - one has twice as many petals as the other! Mine has the larger amount. As my bush is a direct clone, rooted by me, of an ancient bush we think was growing in our garden since about 1920, I think the more petaled version is the old version.

    Jackie



    mlle_melanie thanked jacqueline9CA
  • 10 years ago

    Very cool, Jackie! The color of your bloom in the pic above is so vibrant! The roses are so much prettier here in spring than they are in summer with our intense heat. My favorite delicate pink roses almost all turn white.

    I agree, I think my neighbor's rose is probably DdB. It certainly looks right. A beautiful rose! I plan on dropping a letter off to my neighbor tomorrow, if the weather allows a walk around the corner. I'm excited to try to root a cutting! Never done it before.

    Thanks for all your help!

    Melanie

  • 10 years ago

    DdB reportedly takes easily from cuttings. This was what I was told when I enquired but haven't come about to try it yet.

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