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10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

These quotes are for the ground floor (2396 square feet) of 4360 (total) square foot house in New Jersey. Ground floor is 2396 square feet. Existing unit is a Comfortmaker installed in 2000. Comfortmaker Furnace (in basement) is 100,000 BTU 80% and Condenser is 3 ton (although for some reason coil is 4 ton). Option 1 + 2 were American Standard Dealer who took measurements for load calc (but did not provide measurements to me). Option 3 is Trane Dealer did not take any measurements for load calc. Existing unit cooled and heated satisfactory (when it worked). Of note, both Family room and Foyer have 20 foot ceilings.

Please note that American Standard Dealer has very good online ratings and have used them before for upstairs units without incident. Whereas the Trane Dealer has some negative online recent reviews about new unit installs.

Option 1:

American Standard Dealer $10,165 after all rebates (including State)

80% Two stage variable speed AUD2C100A9V5 100,000 Btu

17 seer two stage air conditioning 4A7A7048 48,000 Btu

17 seer high efficiency coil 4PXCCU60

17 seer Furnace to be set on feet to gain 2" off of the concrete floor

Condensate pump with cut off switch

Drain pan cut off switch in the coil

New refrigerant lines from condenser to the coil

New 3" pad per code for condenser

New disconnect connection

New flue piping to existing chimney

New return drop with filter track and door so unit does not pull air from the basement

Option 2 (Same American Standard Dealer as above) : Same as above except the furnace is 95% efficient. $12,444 after all rebates (including State). (No model # given)

Option 3: Trane Dealer $7900 after all rebates

2 Stage Train XL18-36 17 SEER 36,000 BTU

Matching Train Coil (No model given)

XV95-080 2 Stage gas 80,000 BTU 97%

Variable Speed Blower

4" Media

Trane TCONT 624 Thermostat

Run new 2 pipe PVC.

Vertical System.

Reposition Plenium and return to fit. Place condensor on blocks. Run new refrigerant lines. New Condenser pump if necessary (said may drain to sump pump)

Warranty 10 year parts. 5 years labor. Compressor parts - 10 years. Heat Exchanger - lifetime. 1 Year Preventative Maintenance.

Comments (6)

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Update on above: The American Standard Furnace in Option 2 above is 100,000 BTU 2 stage model AUH2C100A9V5.

  • 10 years ago

    I think you should forget about the American Standard dealer. His prices are high and he does not know how to properly size equipment.

    The Trane dealer at least has a reasonable price and size. You want a Trane coil, no third party substitutes. Not sure if the thermostat is the best choice.

  • 10 years ago

    Here is a copy of the load calc showing 3.5 tons. I was told since there is no 2 stage 3.5 ton condenser I should go with the 4 ton. Is this correct? Is 95% AUH2C100A9V5 100k BTU correct furnace for this load calc? Is the 4 ton 4A7A7048 Gold 17 Air Conditioner (Platinum XM Air Conditioner) 2 stage the correct condenser? Should I downgrade to 3 ton? Or should I go with a single stage 3.5 ton?


  • 10 years ago

    I am a little skeptical of this calculation. The summer temperature is a little too high, and the winter is not low enough in my opinion.

    Some of the numbers are strange. The heat gain from people is about the same as the walls. Do you have many windows facing the south? You have 1.5 tons of heat gain just from the windows. There is a big loss for the fireplace. I would have thought that would be covered in the infiltration number.

    "Existing unit cooled and heated satisfactory (when it worked). Of note, both Family room and Foyer have 20 foot ceilings."

    If this statement is true, then there is no need to increase the size of the furnace or AC. The Trane dealer sizing seems more realistic. Get a third quote if you want more data points.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I have some large windows, but they are west facing. Yes, the old unit (when it worked) cooled to 76 and heated to 71 but had to run continuously on the coldest/warmest days to get there. I am amazed at the difference in prices for similar equipment: $12,444 (American Standard) vs $7900 (Trane). Are there any major manufacturers that offer 3.5 ton two stage condensers? That would be a good place to call for my next quote.

    Also, am I better off with a single stage 3.5 ton condenser versus an oversized 4 ton two stage?

  • 10 years ago

    Running continuously on the hottest and coldest is not necessarily a bad thing. In theory that is what would happen when you are at the indoor and outdoor temperature design conditions.

    Two stage AC condensers are only available in whole ton sizes. I really like my 2-stage AC. It does a great job in humidity removal. I think in NJ you are better off with the larger 2-stage equipment. It would also depend on the low and high stage capacity of the unit compared to the load calculation.