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Cabinet stain color dilemma

10 years ago
My husband and I are building a custom home, and I have been losing sleep over our bathroom cabinet stain color.

When our custom cabinets were being installed in the house, we were given a piece of the wood by the cabinet guy so we could take it in to Sherwin Williams to try different stain colors.

I chose "black walnut" for our bathroom/closet/laundry room cabinets based on the sample stain, and my husband chose "mission oak" for our kitchen. When the painter finished staining the cabinets in the house, the colors turned out completely different.

I thought, surely a mistake and used the wrong stain was used, but the builder has assured us that they used the correct "black walnut" for our bathrooms and the correct "mission oak" stain for our kitchen.

I do understand that there is a variance in color based on the different grains in the wood, but the resulting cabinets are several shades lighter and darker than what we expected.

Luckily we like how the "mission oak" stain turned out in our kitchen, but as you can tell from the sample, mission oak is lighter on our sample than the black walnut! But the colors look opposite on the actual cabinets.

Is this normal?

Please give us some advice on what you would do in this situation. Thank you!

Comments (15)

  • 10 years ago

    I am glad you like the kitchen color but it looks like walnut to me. Two of the drawers in the bathroom look like walnut. The others may need another coat of stain. This is what concerns me.

    I see unstained areas and drip marks. Has this been corrected? I see it in the kitchen too.

  • 10 years ago

    "Painters'' have no business staining cabinetry. Only a cabinet finishing specialist, in a clean room offsite, has any business finishing cabinets. A custom cabinet shop usually produces finished cabinets, and employs the finisher. You got rooked here with a faux custom maker who didn't do a complete job. And then it was made worse by having someone with marginal skills try to finish the job that the ''custom'' guy should have done. Your builder should be ashamed of hiring these fake ''custom'' people.

  • 10 years ago
    Thank you all for your advice. I am glad to hear that I'm not alone in thinking that this is unacceptable. I met with the builder today and they said they forgot to tell the painter to use the Sherwin Williams brand of stain so he used some other brand. That is why the color was off.
    They offered a solution--to use a black glaze to bring the color closer to what I wanted. I spoke to my husband and we both agree that what they need to do is strip the wrong stain and re-do it correctly with the correct stain that we originally wanted.
  • 10 years ago

    Stain penetrates wood. They will have to sand back to completely bare wood. Removing a significant amount of wood. It would be easier and cheaper for them to make you new cabinets. And do them properly. Offsite. In a clean room without bugs and dust to contaminate them.

    Watch them carefully. I'd bet they'll try to pull a fast one and try to stain over what they already did. NOT acceptable. Put a hidden Sharpie mark on one of the doors on the inside, where only you will know. If it doesn't get sanded out, you will know that once again they tried to pull a fast one.

  • 10 years ago
    Wow, okay that's probably why they didn't give us the option to just re-stain the cabinets...
    I will ask them to them tomorrow, and if they say they can't re-do the cabinets, I may just ask them to paint over the cabinets instead. If only they did it correctly the first time!
    Thanks again for your advice.
  • 10 years ago

    I'm sorry your having this much trouble. Clearly not a professional job. I would get an outside opinion by a very reputable company. Then you will have the information you need in dealing with your contractor. Personally I wouldn't trust them to do it over. Good luck

  • 10 years ago
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    The bathroom would be unacceptable to me. I am not picky, but I would want my money's worth.

  • 10 years ago

    The contractor's remark about failing to use Sherwin Williams is pointless. The application is not acceptable. Does your contractor think it is acceptable to not stain the tops and sides of drawers and doors?

    In the case of the vanity only two drawers seem to be walnut. Since the others are too light, I still think they could me made to match. Are the backs of the doors stained? If not, that is also unacceptable. Insist they fix the vanity. They know competent cabinet finishers, I'm sure. Maybe they tried to save money.

    I know you are content with the kitchen cabinet color but the tops and sides need stained. I can see it and I'm only looking at a picture. It must be noticable in person. Am I the only person who can see this? I ask because I do not have excellent vision and I apologize if I am going on about something that is an illusion.

  • PRO
    10 years ago

    Yeah, definitely a sloppy job. Sophie Wheeler is correct; most painters, even good ones, don't have the background to apply a cabinet/furniture grade finish with a penetrating stain or dye. It takes a LONG time to figure out how to deal with different wood species using different products etc. to get a true cabinet grade finish. There probably should have been a pre stain conditioner applied to ensure that the stain penetrates the grain as evenly as possible to prevent blotchy color distribution. This is especially important in open grained wood species as there will be areas that suck up the stain heavily; this is particularly tricky when you have end grain exposed such as the profile of a raised panel door. Too much conditioner and the wood will barely take any stain; too little and you still have issues with blotchy areas. I personally go with the school of practice that a good sanding sealer should be used after staining, so that you can fill the grain and get a superb top coat. If your builder is fair and you are happy with the quality of the cabinet build; just find a good shop handle the finish work. I've known plenty of guys who build great cabinetry but cant finish them to save their life. As others have correctly stated, you can't just strip and re-stain; the pigments or dyes are ingrained within the wood fibers and the only thing you can do besides sanding a massive amount of material is to use a product like Minwax polyshades. It's not a true stain as the pigments suspend in the poly, but it can be used to darken lighter stained material. You can always go darker, but you can't go the other direction without breaking out the 80 grit. Best of luck with you project; keep us posted as you get this issue squared away.

    Now, there are some awesome new products out there that will probably eliminate the need to sand away any material at all to change the stain color.... Check out the video on youtube I've linked....

  • 10 years ago

    Hate to comment again but I'm wonder why the cabinet maker did not carefully choose the best wood pieces to work with to create a cohesive flow of the grain. That's what custom should be all about. Looks like he used whatever. Hope this ultimately works out for you and you get what your paying for. Problems in building are common, just takes time and research to get it worked out.

  • 10 years ago
    Thanks for your comments. We went and spoke to them yesterday, they have agreed to change the stain color to my original choice. They took some cabinet doors to work on so we can see the resulting cabinets.
    They are also going to "tone" the stain so that the coloring looks more uniform throughout.
    I will update you all once I get those back.
    Also, I checked the stain work on the sides and back of the cabinet and they were not unfinished as it appears in the pictures, there's just a lot of dust on them :)
  • PRO
    10 years ago

    This very typical of work completed by individuals that do absolutely no prep.

  • 10 years ago

    Good to hear and looking forward to see your new cabinets!

  • 10 years ago
    I am looking for suggestions on shutter and door color. House is natural white brick.