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Using a fertilizer without micronutrients

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

Is it possible to grow roses using only a balanced granular fertilizer (15-15-15 like http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bandini-50-lb-Pro-Choice-15-15-15-Fertilizer-93202/202672774) which does not contain micronutrients? I purchased a home 6 months ago that has 40+ rose bushes on the property and would like to spend the least amount of money satisfactorily taking care of them. I have loamy clay soil, and live in Los Angeles. I have not run a soil test yet. I've only fertilized the roses with some composted leaves and steer manure blend and the roses are blooming right now and showing vigorous growth.

Overtime I would like to switch to something that requires the least amount of effort and cost in maintaining these roses.

So, do you folks think it's possible to get away with only using a granular slow-release fertilizer that contains only macronutrients and apply no other soil amendments (except maybe re-mulching with bark mulch every year)? Do these general purpose fertilizers have micronutrients in them but just don't list it (since they're present in amounts that are fractions of a percent) and the company neglected to list them in a product such as this?

Thanks for your time

Comments (14)

  • 10 years ago

    The cheapest fertilizer is urea, diluted with 10 parts water. It does not smell in that concentration and contains all nutritients plants need. My husband keeps a chamber pot in the garage and collects his urine daily and puts it in a watering can in the evening. Of course, it's easier when you are retired with time on your hands.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked mariannese
  • 10 years ago

    It's certainly possible. It depends on what you want out of your roses. If your soil is good (sounds like it is) and you apply an organic mulch, they will do well and bloom. The 10-10-10 stuff is sufficient, but as you said, lacks nutrients. But that doesn't matter if your soil has these nutrients. Keep in mind that after time, the chemical fertilizers will cause a salt build up in your soil. I wouldn't over use the chemical fertilizers and maybe once a year, in the winter apply some compost, composted manure and the leaves as you have, to keep the soil healthy. Exhibitors and others who want more blooms use more intensive and varied fertilizers, but if you just want your roses to look good in the yard, you will be ok. Don't ignore watering, that is really more important than fertilizing.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked Buford_NE_GA_7A
  • 10 years ago

    Roses grow just fine with a combination of leaf compost and lawn fertilizer--the leaf compost is a mixture of lawn clippings and the leaves that fall in my yard, so the cost is very low.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked zack_lau z6 CT ARS Consulting Rosarian
  • 10 years ago

    In most gardens, micronutrients are seldom needed especially if you use some compost & organic mulch on a regular basis. However plants may exhibit micronutrient deficiency & this is usually because of a pH imbalance.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked wirosarian_z4b_WI
  • 10 years ago

    It always depends on what is already in your particular soil - you may wish to sample it and have it analyzed.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked Embothrium
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I too was looking for an inexpensive, but effective way to fertilize roses. Here's what I found:

    USED COFFEE GROUNDS

    Starbucks has a Grounds for Your Garden recycling program where they will give you used coffee grounds to improve your soil. I usually call ahead of time, so that they will save the grounds. They will give you the grounds in a bag, but I purchased a 5 gallon paint pail from Home Depot that I designated for the purpose and they fill it up. They are very friendly and happy to give you as much as you need. Sunset magazine did an analysis of using used coffee grounds as a soil amendment: The Starbucks coffee compost test. It's a great way to add organic matter to your clay soil. It is considered "green" compost, so I add dry leaves on top. When I use composted chicken manure, I also mix in used coffee grounds. It makes the manure smell MUCH better.

    ALFALFA

    Roses love alfalfa. Here is an article from the American Rose Society about the benefits: The Value of Alfalfa. When I was a "newbie", I paid $8 for a 3 lb box of alfalfa meal. Then I learned that you can buy alfalfa pellets at an animal feed store for about $12 for 50 pounds which is enough to last me two years. I use 1 cup around each rose bush, less for smaller plants and water thoroughly. I apply this twice a year.

    FISH FERTILIZER

    I also use Neptune's Harvest Fish Fertilizer. I find it for about $15 for 36 oz. I use 1 TB per gallon of water about once a month, so a little goes a long way.

    CHEMICAL FERTILIZER

    You can also use chemical fertilizers such as the one you mentioned, sparingly. Rose plants will use the nutrients. Just keep in mind that since inorganic fertilizers have high N-P-K ratios, they can burn plants if applied too heavily. They will also add salt to the soil as Buford mentioned and will not condition the soil. They are more of a quick "pick me up" for your roses.

    There are more Magic Elixirs for Roses, but if you want to keep it simple, your roses will do fine with the above. If I wanted to keep things to a minimum, I would use the coffee grounds, composted manure and alfalfa. I live not far from Los Angeles and add my organics in February.

    ANOTHER TIP:

    Mulching helps retain moisture, which is important with our water restrictions. Enjoy your beautiful roses.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Here are some locations of animal feed stores in the Los Angeles area, but if these aren't close to you, you can look up "horse feed" on Yelp to find a closer location:

    FOX FEED

    17028 Sierra Hwy, Canyon Country, CA 91351

    Phone 661-252-9790

    TRIKEE TACK

    1840 Riverside Drive, Glendale, CA 91201

    Phone 818-242-4540

    DAMOOR'S FEED & TACK

    1532 Riverside Dr, Glendale, CA 91201

    Phone 818-242-2841

    EAST VALLEY FEED & TACK

    11084 Sheldon St, Sun Valley, CA 91352

    Phone 818-767-3060

    BEST VALLEY FEED

    13202-1/2 Van Nuys Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 91331

    Phone 818-899-7813

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
  • 10 years ago

    @mariannese Wow, urine as fertilizer? Talk about frugal!

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks for the response, @vasue VA how do you know that the fertilizer I linked is a fast-release fertilizer? Aren't most granular fertilizers relatively slow release? HD sells Bandini fertilizers that specifically state, "for turf and lawn", this one states that it is a general purpose one, but for what exactly, I'm not sure. It has pictures of trees, shrubs, etc. Is the marketing phrase, "fast greening" the giveaway?


    I'm considering buying this product, http://www.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-20-lb-Rose-Plant-Food-162116/203606314 which has micronutrients and is designed specfically for Roses (12-6-10) but I wish I could find them in 50 lb bags.

  • 10 years ago

    Apparently urine has an N-P-K ratio of 11-1-2, but should be diluted as mariannese said. Here is an article: How to Use Pee In Your Garden.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    @first time gardener

    On the HD Bandini, The link you provided. If you click farther you will see.

    It's says fast release if you click on the specs below description.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    However, the Vigoro you posted is slow-release.

    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    By reading the bullet points under the Overview (didn't look past that to the Specifications section). "Fast greening" means that some (and I always assume all, unless specified otherwise) of the nitrogen is immediately available - so yes, a tip-off. As Samuel noted under the Specs, Time Release for this product is Fast Release.

    • Contains water soluble nitrogen
    • Fast greening
    • For pre-plant and post-plant
    • Formulated for use on lawns
    Larry (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) thanked vasue VA