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What to do with ivory?

Many years ago, back when I was a horse-crazy kid, a friend of my mom's gave me a set of small ivory horses with rosewood platforms that she'd had since she was a girl back in the 1920s/30s. Chinese, definitely pre-1947.

I know it's legal to own them, just not to sell them, but they've been living in a box in the closet for years now and I'd like to get rid of them, but I don't know anyone who would want them.

I'd be happy to donate them, but any place locally would only want them to sell, of course, and there's no documentation, so they can't do that.

Any thoughts on what to do with them? I know there's a school of thought that says to destroy anything ivory, but as far as I can see that won't bring this particular elephant back, and since they already exist I'd rather see them find a new home.

Comments (24)

  • 10 years ago

    I agree Writer! Maybe a horse person on the forum would be ecstatic to have them!

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked Holly- Kay
  • 10 years ago

    Could you donate them to a small local museum? Or ... someplace like Trundle Manor, perhaps? (I'm being serious about the latter suggestion!)

    http://trundlemanor.com/

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked User
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thanks, Holly-Kay. For sure if anyone here wants them, I'd be happy to send them. I'll try to get a photo tomorrow. No time to climb up and root around for the box this afternoon.

    We certainly have some quirky local museums, TR, but the one that would have been the best choice has gone all upscale and audio-animatronic and no longer takes or displays odd bits of local history. (Can you tell I liked them better before the big grant for the fancy new building?) But I'll definitely keep Trundle Manor in mind.

  • 10 years ago

    I would check with a local antique dealer .

    I think if they can be dated

    it is OK to sell.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked 4boys2
  • 10 years ago

    I'm still a horse crazy girl (have 5 in the back yard) You can send them to me!

    I promise to give them a forever home. I collect white horses-figurines. I did have my two real grays until last year but they have both crossed the rainbow bridge.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked missymoo12
  • 10 years ago

    I would take them, too, as I like Asian art and would happily pay the shipping costs.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked Fun2BHere
  • 10 years ago

    Thanks, missymoo and Fun2B. I'll post some pics tomorrow and you can see what you think.

  • 10 years ago

    Okay, thank you.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked Fun2BHere
  • 10 years ago

    It is not illegal to sell them, but there are rules - HERE.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    Put me as potential forever home #3 if the others change their mind. I'm down to 2 live ones.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    I didn't read the whole of Allisons attached article but it appears to speak of African Ivory.

    Speak to an Antique Dealer in your state dealing with Chinese Ivory.

    And follow the rules of crossing state lines with such items. Even if you appear not to receive payment.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked 4boys2
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thanks, everyone.

    It's my understanding that you have to have some kind of provenance to sell it, which I totally do not. They were just a gift a long time ago from someone who'd had them forever, and who thinks about the potential future possibility of that when giving a child a present?

    Heck, I can remember enjoying looking at all the ivory miniatures in the shops on Lincoln Road Mall in Miami Beach back then and thinking about which ones would be great for my dolls house. Really wanted the ivory flax wheel.

    I suppose I could pretend I thought they were bone, but I don't think Chinese ivories from that period have enough value to make it worthwhile to try to sell them.

  • 10 years ago

    You need to talk to a reputable antiques dealer, one who is also a certified or whatever the word is for an appraiser with credentials. Seems to me there is monetary value in the figures. Antiques roadshow anyone?

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked westsider40
  • 10 years ago

    "It's my understanding that you have to have some kind of provenance to sell it, which I totally do not. They were just a gift a long time ago from someone who'd had them forever, and who thinks about the potential future possibility of that when giving a child a present?"

    That is the beginning of the provenance of your items. If they appear in a photo of long ago (even in the background) keep the photo and approximate dates of when you were given the items with the items.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked maddielee
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thanks, westsider and maddielee. Unfortunately, they were never out on display in my room (one reason they haven't yellowed much), since our dog loved to shop there for things to destroy and leave in front of the front door to express his displeasure when we went on outings without him, so they always lived in a drawer. In any case, I believe the international convention on ivory is "nothing after 1947" and while I'm old, I'm not that old. :)

    Anyway, here are a couple of pics, so those who expressed interest just let me know if you still want them:

    ETA They will stand up without the bases, too.

  • 10 years ago

    Beautiful...I would love to have them if people who responded before me don't.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked ladybug A 9a Houston area
  • 10 years ago

    They are really nice, be sure you document what you do know about them for the lucky person who gets them.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked maddielee
  • 10 years ago

    Oh I like them alot too. Good luck to the recipient.

    Reminds me of my Aunt's Chinese antiques, her house is full of them. The one item I would love for her to put in the will for me would be the "doctor's doll", a reclining ivory nude lady on a wooden base. Because of the modesty of Chinese ladies in olden times, a doctor would ask the lady to point to areas that were of concern to her, i.e. pain, etc. This particular dd is about 14" long by 6" or 7" tall. I love it.

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked schoolhouse_gw
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    writersblock, these look very similar to yours. Check out the estimated sales price.

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10982756_set-of-8-chinese-carved-ivory-horses

    OTOH, this one also looks slightly like yours, and was listed on eBay as "faux ivory", made of ox bone. The auction is not active, and I can't get any additional photos to load.

    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Antique-Chinese-Miniature-Hand-Carved-Faux-Ivory-Horse-Figure-Bone-/350828463364

    writersblock (9b/10a) thanked User
  • 10 years ago

    Thanks, TR. Yes, if I had the documentation they would sell for roughly $50 or a bit more each based on past auctions, but then that would be less the buyer's premium and the auction house fee. But in any case it's moot because I have no proof of provenance and nobody I've asked about it will touch them without it.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    And I should mention that there's a law before our state legislature right now that would make the possession of any ivory piece (including piano keys) illegal without proven written provenance, so I might as well send them off to a new home before that passes.

    BTW, there's a lot of "bone" for sale these days, ever since the rules changed in 2014.

    I've spoken to several of the leading antique dealers in my area and they one and all say they are just sending all the ivory they had back to the owners, whether they have provenance or not, because it's just not worth the potential hassles.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thanks. Bumblebeez. Yes, as I said in my original post, I acknowledge the validity of that viewpoint, and certainly I would never purchase anything made from new ivory. On the other hand, I also would not destroy thousands of years of art just to make a point. But I completely understand anyone feeling that way.

    Missiemoo, if you're still interested, please PM me, since you were the first in line. If not, please let me know.

  • 10 years ago

    I just sent you a message :)