We are in basically the same boat as you. Not a fan of the look and features of the Electrolux, or the reviews on them. The Samsung looks great, and has lots of interesting features, but their reputation and some of the reviews and scaring me off. The Miele seems fantastic, but spending $10k on a range makes zero sense to me.

So that basically leaves us with the Bosch.

I thought the Miele was $7000? I mean, it is still a whole lot, and doesn't ultimately change your point, but it is less then $10,000.

The Miele includes a water hookup for steam oven capability for baking, etc.

Steam bursts can be automatic, timed or manual. It's $7k or less if you find a demo unit.

Canadian pricing here, forgot to mention that.

The steam in the miele range's oven, as far as I understand, is steam assist.... not full steam cooking like a designated steam oven.

From what I have gathered, here are the major differences that the Miele would bring:

1. Master Chef oven with dial fans for convection.

2. Steam assist in oven

3. Needs 50amp circuit

4. Higher fit and finish

5. Higher reliability & quality appliance (theoretically, based on company history)

6. Five year warranty

Obviously, not everyone will value these the same. For example some people might not care about the master chef or the steam... but they are fundamental difference that this Miele range has vs the competition.

As for the other two, Electrolux is very intriguing, Although they seem to have a problem with quality control across their brand. Some things are very highly rated.... others not so much. Induction and Ovens seemly fall some where on the above average, but I am apprehensive because of the company as a whole. But the feature set, seems closer to the Miele vs the Bosch (with the exception of the master chef and steam).

@dan1888

i have the miele induction range.. it has moisture plus is used for proofing bread. it does not behave like a steam oven.

you could if you want manually keep pressing the spritz button to make it "behave" like a steam oven but i dont think it'll produce the amount of steam that a steam oven does..

Well, that's interesting. I read the same manual section that Dan cited and made assumptions. Didn't think to ask about it when I saw a brief demo of the Miele several months ago. Water lines weren't connected on the demo unit, so probably would not have found out anything, anyway.

Speaking of that demo, I arrived a little too late to find out if the burner control knobs could actually vary heat level in-between the integer settings.

This thread from last year had reports that they could although the display only shows whole numbers -- 1, 2, etc.

So, here's a question for you: do the Miele control knobs give finer power control than than indicated by the 1-10 display settings? If you turn a burner control knob part way between the point where the display shows, say "3" and where the display changes to "4," can you see any difference in heat levels in the pan?

g5spark

I have the Miele range but haven't done the install yet. I anticipate if you follow the instructions in the manual, it's likely you'll get results that are an expansion over what you've tried. I know I'll be using it for a lot more.

I have the general slide in induction range. Have only had it installed a few months but love it. Love the looks and function of the range top and ovens. Could not go back to regular electric and don't want the clean up of gas. Bought for 2000.00 due to a price match. That gave me money to spend elsewhere.

@jwvideo

ill give it a try. I will boil a pot of water at #3. Have it stabilize. Then turn knob slightly but have it read 3 still and take temp. Then set it to 4 and take temp again. We have a thermapen.

Slight issue with experiment.

thermapen is in the shop for repair. Had to use laser thermometer gun and even though i hit the centre of the pot the temp always fluxuated 161-165 range.

What i can tell you is that there is no fine tuning between the numbers. Basically i had it at 3 for the last 20 mins. Then i turned the knob ever so slightly and it jumps to 4.

Did the temp go up. How much. Then was there a range of rotation where it stayed at 4. Did the temp stay stable through that range until it jumped to 5. What temp did it go to at 5.

We bought the Electrolux induction range about 4 1/2 years ago and loved it ....until it died on us around Christmas time. Just after using the burners (but everything had been turned off) we heard a loud pop, then a big BANG. Afterwards, no burners worked and an error message displayed. After some investigation, we found it would cost about $800 CAD just for the part, and our 3 year extended warranty had run out the year before.

We replaced it with a kenmore induction slide in range and bought the biggest extended warranty we could. Hope Sears stays in business:) I love induction, but this stove is definitely not as nice as my Electrolux...the fans are VERY loud, the air blown comes out the front right at waist level and is irritatingly cold, (even the oven fans are loud) and to turn on a burner you either have to choose Low and click up, or choose Power Boost (high) and click down.

But after having spent $3000 CAD on the Electrolux, we just couldn't shell out another $3000 plus. I still wanted induction, but we went with a budget model to get it.

Whichever stove you get, my advice is to make sure you get as big a warranty as you can. And make sure the company has a good reputation for honouring it. One appliance salesman told me that the life expectancy of today's appliances is 7 - 12 years.

my problem with my experiment was i could not get it to a stable temp.. or rather my thermal gun readouts would fluxuate and it wasnt 165.1->165.5->165.9.. rather my gun would read 165.1, 163.8, 165.2, etc..ie itd jump both directiosn.

i did not bother with taking the temp at 4 since i had no consistent baseline.

not sure when the thermapen comes back from the shop.

I don't have the induction range but did have an electric cooktop and bosch 800 oven for the past 6 years. I had no problems with it and found it very responsive. I am quite impressed with Bosch and in my new home will be getting the bosch 800 induction cooktop as well as the bosch 500 oven. The only reason I'm switching to the 500 is that most of my cooking is on the cooktop and/or will be on the grill outside so I can't see spending extra for features on the 800 I won't be using.

As for steam, why not just put a pot of water in the oven on the lower rack. Instant steam.

That's an option for sure.

I am highly leaning toward getting the newer electrolux (EW30IS80RS). I like the dual fan in the oven. Otherwise is seems fairly on par with the Bosch. The previous model seems to have done well in reviews and I am hoping the new model will fair well too.

A lot of the reason we will (most likely) get this one over the bosch and miele really boils down to price. The bosch benchmark is dealer only, and seems to be a set price everywhere. The Miele, as much as I would really prefer it, is just too high to justify. The electrolux can be purchased from big box stores, and with the lowes new mover coupon will be over $300 less the Bosch, plus free delivery and hook up, plus easier return if there is a problem.

Also, lowes said if we buy the 5 year warranty on 3 or more appliances, it is less then $100 each. I normally am not one to get the warranty, but at this price is seems silly not too.

I got the Electrolux freestanding. I would have preferred a slide in but I didn't like the appearance of their slide in but I preferred the Electrolux features over others brands (that were at a reasonable price point). And I liked the lower price of the freestanding in case it turns out to be unreliable and/or have a short lifespan. I did get the five year extended warranty based on the general poor performance of appliances these days. Just a couple months into it so we'll see how it goes. Love the range so far.

any update on the miele? I haven't finalized my decision. one of the things that i am a little apprehensive about is the 10 vs 19 power levels. Any feedback about this? Also, how well does the oven perform?