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Using Sand to Fix Clay Soil

I posted this on the Far North forum too but I wanted to share how amazed I have been in the last few days, we got a load of coarse 5mm sand and have been mixing it into the heavy clay soil. It instantly broke up the clay so it cannot clump together anymore.

I wish I had done this sooner, especially before planting all these roses. Peat moss seemed to work at first, but not in the long run; beds first mixed with peat now are back to clumpy clay two years later.

Comments (8)

  • 10 years ago

    Thank you for posting your experience with clay and sand. I am interested in hearing the details. How much sand did you use and how deep are you mixing it ii? It makes sense to me that enough coarse sand mixed into clay would improve the drainage. I suspect that when people report experience to the contrary, they are either using way to little sand or the wrong texture of sand.

  • 10 years ago

    Is your 5 mm sand the same thing as "very sharp" sand?

  • 10 years ago

    Straw: I have been using quick sand with clay since many years. Here in Islamabad I didn't have to do it because I could easily get river / canal soil which is the best. But in places that is not available and mixing of sand + organic matter greatly improves soil texture. 2 parts clay, 1 part sand and 1 part organic matter (compost, leaf mold etc) makes a very fine potting mix.

    best regards

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Straw,

    I owe you an apology, When I ask a question about your advice, it is never for the purpose of debating. Sometimes, like with the question of sand and clay, I wanted to know why your advice differs from the commonly held belief the clay plus sand equals cement. I think that your explanation answers this question in an intelligent and thorough manner.

    I have not been participating in this forum very long and there is a lot about answers in the past that I don't know. When I ask questions that you feel that you have already answered thoroughly, I would appreciate if you would tell me where to find the information. I don't want to put you through the trouble of having to repeat yourself. I know that the effort that you put into explaining the science, experimentation and research is very time consuming. I am wondering if it would be possible to setup a sticky FAQ that would be searchable for this type information.

    I have been growing roses and gardening for a very long time. I started young and I am old. Though I feel there things that I have some knowledge on regarding the growing of plants, I am very opened mind. I sometimes spend hours researching your answers on the computer so I might better understand the science behind your answers.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Val: I respect you for apologizing, it's just a misunderstanding. I hold zero resentment against you, only wish the best for your nursery. You have a lot more character than MichaelG, who ridiculed and put me down in public, and never apologize to me in person. MichaelG is in the sprayer-gang and recommended Bayer spray for the past decades.

    He did issue a "public apology" but it was like inviting the public for a second beating of StrawChicago. You are far better than MichaelG, and I love and respect you for that.

  • 10 years ago

    Seeing this information gives me so much hope!! I only stayed growing roses a few years ago because they were the only things I could get to grow in our alkiline, rock solid clay. I have been gradually adding other perrenials and it is nice to know that there is hope for my soil yet! It is also nice to know that I am not the only one moving plants around ;)

  • 10 years ago

    Yes, the sand is also known as builders sand, I got it from a different supplier, but this is similar, yes it has a yellow/golden colour to it in real life: https://shop.burncolandscape.com/products/5mm-washed-sand-2209.html 

    I have access to research papers and studies from being in college, it's
    amazing to see the scientific research done on blackspot. I found
    several studies which also support milk in reducing powdery mildew.
    Google scholar is great too.

    We were talking to our neighbor here, who was a long time commercial farmer. He also confirmed the alkaline water here is no good for plants, but it does help keep them alive.