Ah, cost 40 dollars for non-members. Thank you so very much for taking the time and check it for me. I know it's a NOID, but I wanted to give it a last attempt of finding its "roots".

And yes, I've come to love it. I have two of them that I pollinated, and now a seedbud is growing on both. Hopefully they will bring offspring with this interesting new flowers, otherwise I will be happy with the old look.

Thank you again for your time and consideration.

You are welcome. Leaves are not typical for the registered trailers. I saw these leaves on old girl leaf Optimaras - Los Angeles, Orlando - but they are rosettes, not trailers. Blue trailes with girl leaves - Ramblin' Lassie, Senk trailers - have significantly more scalloped leaves.

Until one moment ago I thought those were the winter leafes, grown slowly under poor light and lousy soil conditions. And that when I had repotted them, the new leaves in the center grew fast enough to get the usual shape. It seems I was wrong. A closer look in the center reveals one new leaf with that shape.

I hesitate to show you photos of the current situation, since - beside repotting at the wrong time - they also recover from a multi-version idiot treatment against bugs.

Those are the new leafes.

Really scalloped leaves - Ramblin' Lassie.

You are right, mine isn't that scalloped.

I have no experience of other trailing girls, so I don't know to what extent they trail, and in what rate. Mine has so far happily produced daughter plants in their own slow paste.

Are the girl trailers you mention different in that respect? Ie should mine be considered a trailer instead of a semi-trailer since AV's with girl foliage grows at a slow rate anyway?

Maj and Irina I love the leaves (and flowers of course!) on BOTH of your "girls"!!!! Don't know why, I just love girl leaves.

Ok, I have a new page started in my Wish List and it includes BOTH of these! lol!!!!! Rosie

I think Ramblin' Lassie is more of a curiosity and vintage piece. I love them weirdos, but I love blossoms too. Lassie is very stingy on flowers in my culture.

RAMBLIN' LASSIE- (9022) 03/23/2001 (S. Sanders/R. Brenton) Semidouble blue-lavender star. Variegated medium green and white girl foliage. Semiminiature trailer.

Just googled her. I think she is very beautiful!!! Rosie

Rosie - I doubt there is one AV you do not love... :-))

This one have the possibility to give an abundance of flowers with the right care. Years ago I gave one to a friend, and after a year it had so much flowers it was difficult to see the leaves underneath them. I have yet to accomplish that blessful state with my own, though. At least I repotted it this year, so I'm improving and might get there one day.

Maj -

regarding your repotting - too big and too deep of a pot, trailers - if it is a trailer - it can be a rosette with a serious inclination to sucker - need to be in a smaller shallow pot - like 5" bulb pan. They do bloom better if roots are restricted. I think you have a very healthy plant - you can enjoy blossoms just as your friend. But if you give it too much soil - it is happy just to grow, not bloom.

I.

So far it's been relentless of giving kids, no matter the size of the pot. I figured it just as well could be given room for it since it's doing it anyway.

The semi-exposed☺ root do give rise to some suckers, but not that many. More kids than suckers. Here is the most recent one that I cunningly counted on would help downsizing the pot in a natural way, along with future others.

I will take your advice and nip it off, but I won't repot the mother plant until next spring. It's still licking the wounds it got from the recent rough treatment.

The consequences of downsizing the pot at that point we will face together, her and I. Thank you for your advice.

Irina yes,you are right! But it is a better hobby than some of the alternatives I can think of!!!! Rosie

Yes , Rosie - we need to keep you walking the straight line - no wild parties!

Maj -

what do you call suckers - and what do you call kids?

Yeah, I would be interested in the answer Irina asked. To me,,,suckers ARE kids, yes???? Rosie

They are all suckers... unless you love some more than others and adopt them as your kids ;-))

I call the small leaves on the root suckers, the ones that don't belong to the crown. The sucker leafes are single, turned in every direction, with the mother root as a medium to grow in 90 degrees from.

The kids grows faster, have a distinct crown of their own, bigger leaves, and usually forms on the root as far away from the motherplant it can. In this case, in the end of the semi-exposed root. If the plant is properly potted and the root stem completely buried, the kids will sneak up their leaves through the moterplants when you turn your back.

This is my beliefe, but I only have experience from this one, and not so much properly potting.

Ha ha! am beginning to believe that the african violet GROWERS are the suckers!!!!! lol Rosie

As they say - only an idiot with limited experience can hold a beliefe this strongly. On the other hand I'm able to change my mind quickly - without loosing a substantial amount of face - when someone confront me with more brilliant theorys. The idiots blessing should not be taken lightly.

umm, Maj I don't understand what you mean. Did I offend you? I certainly didn't mean to. My statement was made cause we just keep trying to grow them, bring them back to life and generally never know when to quit! It just for the moment struck me funny. No one here is an idiot. Sorry. Rosie

Maj

- you can identify them the way how you like - as long as we understand what you mean. I think it is mostly trailers that grow juvenile looking leaves on the main stem, for rosette type - practically all side shoots come as crowns. It is not a very scientific terminology - but a secondary crown on a trailer is identified as a crown - and as a sucker on a rosette type AV where it is not desirable.

Regarding you taking it someway personally - most of us here - grandmothers - and some grandfathers - we sometimes tease one another because we talk daily - and feel at ease. But we try hard not to offend anybody.

Irina