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I have roots!!!!

10 years ago

I'm so excited! This is my very 1st attempt at propagating. I got 2 Compacta back in April, the 22nd and 27th. Each one had a broken leaf that I stuck in its pot and promptly forgot about. Today I rotated the plants and noticed my broken leaves, so I decided to pull em up to see if they rotted or something, but there are roots! I potted them together in a plastic pot with my regular mix. What now? Do I water it? How much? Do they need to be drier or more moist till they grow?

Ohhhh the possibilities! I have a sick Silver Queen that I've been dying to try. I have some regular Hahnii and trifasciata I put in water to try out too.

How exactly does a root become a rhizome become a pup? I wish I could see the whole process without damaging anything.

Comments (43)

  • 10 years ago

    I'm so jealous! That's a little over a month. For goodness sakes. It must be that warm, humid LA weather. And, of course, the names you give them.

    Katrina thanked vitorama
  • 10 years ago

    Good for you Katrina, good work!! You're on your way to being addicted to propagating like I am. Welcome to Propagators Anonymous.

    If you could mist them lightly that would be okay, but I would wait a few days before giving them a light watering. Do this for a week to 10 days, then water normally. Many would say don't water for much longer, but I think you'd lose the roots if you did that. I have to admit that I often just start watering after transplanting a leaf with roots, I sometimes lose a few but I don't have time to be so careful. That said, if it was a leaf of sinus-simiorum or the like, I'd be careful for sure.

    You'll get regular trifasciata from those Compacta leaves, Silver Queen leaves will produce more Silver Queen, which is great if you think you're losing the main plant. Hahnii and trifasciata will produce the same.

    The new plants won't come from the roots, the leaf is growing the roots to support the production of the plants that will come from the bottom of the cutting. When you see new plants, lightly spray the mix from the roots and you'll see how this works. You can break or cut the plants away from the leaf and then replant the leaf for another round of offsets, just repot in fresh soil. If the leaf is still in fair shape, you might even get a 3rd round.

    Keep us posted on your exciting propagating adventure.

    Russ


    Katrina thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 10 years ago

    Tiffany, isn't it odd that you can root sans leaves in water, but keep them too wet in a medium and they rot. They're so easy in a heavy perlite medium that I prefer that way, but water does let you see what's going on. Do you fertilize at all when the leaves are in water?

    Russ

  • 10 years ago

    Tiffany, I've been stalking your threads something fierce because I know you do a lot of this stuff and you always provide awesome pics. Thanks for the water rooted pic. I'm so excited about actually seeing the process!!!

    Vitorama, maybe it IS the weather. When I put the leaves, I remember thinking this is gonna take forever so I may as well forget about them...which is what I did. I knocked off some more soil and the roots are pretty thick. The plants get about an hour of direct sun and all day bright shade. They're under a covered patio and its 80s and 90s here.

    Russ, thanks for that explanation and I'm walking through the door of Propagators Anonymous eyes wide open. I'll definitely keep you posted. This morning I gave them a shower with a spray bottle. I'm gonna be watching them like a hawk. I wanna see a pup!

  • 10 years ago

    Katrina, spray enough that some moisture will get down to the short roots, we don't want them to dry up. How long were the roots when you replanted the leaves?

    Russ

  • 10 years ago
    Varied between 1/2 to 1 inch. I wet all of the soil but focused on the area around the leaves.
  • 10 years ago

    Nice, they were rooted good Katrina. Sounds like you're doing all the right things! Give them a good watering in 2 -3 days, we don't want to lose those roots.

    Russ

    Katrina thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 10 years ago

    Ok, will do. So is there a "rule" for what propagates true? I saw the link that's been floating around, but there are only a few listed. What about non trifasciata types?

  • 10 years ago

    Katrina, any species and any hybrid will propagate true from leaves.

    You mentioned non-trifasciatas... I can't think of cultivars of any other species that 'break the rules' like trifasciata cultivars. Manolyn, Siam Silver, Tenzan, San Remo, metallica variegata and White Striped Giant are all cultivars of metallica/guineensis and they all produce the original species from leaf cuttings. No surprises.

    Variegates almost always produce non-variegated plants from leaves. I say 'almost' because there is an infinitely small possibility that a variegate could produce a variegated plant. It has happened (not to me!). I don't count an albino plant that arises from the variegated tissue, it isn't viable and would die if it was severed from the parent leaf.

    I have a highly variegated mostly yellow sans that I thought was trifasciata 'Craigii', but it's so similar to metallica variegata that I can't be sure what it is. One way to tell for sure is to plant a leaf, which I've done. It will tell me which species it's from by producing either trifasciata or metallica. Then I will know the variety.

    If I'm wrong on any of this, I'm sure someone will tell us. My mind is usually mush this late at night.

    Russ

    Katrina thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 10 years ago

    Just what I wanted to hear! This is gonna be so fun. I feel like I need a white lab coat, goggles and an Xacto knife. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

  • 10 years ago

    Russ, that does seem strange. ;)

    Katrina, I don't think I've ever fertilized a Sans, either freshly propagated or otherwise. Maybe some banana water once in a great while. (Pureéd banana in water.)

  • 10 years ago

    Russ, I can't wait to see what you get.

    Katrina, here is a picture if my Whitney cutting when I first transplanted it. The new plant has grown from the leaf.


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    Katrina thanked akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
  • 10 years ago
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    Katrina, Hi. link below is a very good site on Growing Sansevieria, and even gives a list of who propagates true and who reverts. Enjoy!

    Fred

    http://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/foliage/folnotes/sansevie.htm

    Katrina thanked Sans2014
  • 10 years ago
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    My water roots are out. This one went in the water about a month ago and is in a north facing window. Seems as though it rooted quicker than those in the mix. The Trifasciata I put in water doesn't have any roots yet.

  • 10 years ago

    Way to go Katrina. I've never rooted a sans in water so you're teaching me something new. Keep up the good work and thanks for the pic.

    Russ

    Katrina thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Coming right along...

    As for my soil propagation, I've given it 1 good watering and I let it get rained on for a little bit, so that's 2 waterings since I planted them. I've been keeping it in bright shade, no direct sun.

  • 10 years ago

    Isn't it a wondrous thing Katrina? Sure is purdy. Sounds like your regimen is good, progress reports are appreciated.

    Russ

  • 10 years ago

    Yep, kinda like watching a baby from embryo to birth, haha!

  • 10 years ago

    And now I have pups!!! Each leaf has a little pup sticking out.

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Katrina,

    Good that you got roots, but personally, I'd have left them there to get more established. I tend to like 1" long roots before I pot anything, either water rooted or soil rooted. I'm not in such a hurry to pot up.

    Different strokes for different folks I guess.

    Lena

  • 10 years ago

    Right, especially when you get the same results. Those leaves with the pups have always been in potting soil. The water roots are still in water and haven't pupped yet.

  • 10 years ago

    Congrats Katrina! That was pretty fast.

    Kim

    Katrina thanked new2sans
  • 10 years ago

    It was fast, indeed. Good for you Katrina, anxious to see what they look like when they're a little bigger. I've never rooted sans in water, always an open, crunchy mix but leaves aren't very fussy.

    Russ

    Katrina thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 10 years ago

    It's that magic garden again! I've been rooting leaves since April and don't have pups yet. Great growing, girl!

    Katrina thanked vitorama
  • 10 years ago

    I wish conditions were as favorable to us humans over here. It's HOTTT! Glad the Sans love it though. ;-)

  • 10 years ago
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    Are these pups coming on my water roots!!!!???

  • 10 years ago

    Hard to tell for me. Put it back in the water already! Lol

  • 10 years ago
    oh yeah, I dunked it right back in! It got a water change today
  • 10 years ago

    Coming right along!

    I have a water pup!

  • 10 years ago

    Excellent Katrina! The leaves in the top pic looks like Jade Dwarf Marginated, which would produce Jade Dwarf. Or are the leaves something else?

    Can't tell what the bottom leaf is, trifasciata or a Hahnii I guess which would give you another trif or another Hahnii. Very cool that leaf is producing plants in water.

    By the way, I've heard of all the flooding in Louisiana, are you in those areas? And if so, how are you faring? Like going to work safely, etc.

    Russ

  • 10 years ago
    Thanks, Russ. We're about an hour South of the flooding in Baton Rouge, Kentwood, Amite, Breaux Bridge, Hammond... We've gotten really heavy rain for weeks, but no flooding (yet). Thankfully, rain is forecast to taper off.

    The 2 leaves are tips of compcta/black gold. The water one is a Hahnii. I'm just thrilled with the water pup!
  • 10 years ago

    Cool Katrina! What is the next step with the water sans? Are you transplanting them into potting soil now or leaving in water?

  • 10 years ago

    I'm glad you're not in the flood zone Katrina.

    Trying to remember what Compacta leaves produce, I think trifasciata. I looked it up and you get mostly trifasciata but occasionally Nelsoni. It'd be cool if you got that one, I've never even seen it.

    Russ

  • 10 years ago

    Water pups! That is so cool! I can't wait to see what they do next.

  • 10 years ago

    Akrrm - I'm not sure what to do from here. I'm leaning towards leaving it in water to keep watching the process. Would a full pup keep going if I transplant it later?

    Russ - nelsonii would be a HUGE bonus!

    Vitorama - I'm not usually much into this type a thing, but this has grabbed my attention. It's so cool. You gotta try it (again?).

  • 10 years ago

    Katrina I don't know. My mother always told me water roots were different than soil roots. I think would keep it in water to see what happens.

    Katrina thanked akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
  • 10 years ago

    Katrina, I've never grown a plant from a leaf in water, but I think the pup should be okay and grow normally if you can somehow secure it with leaves out of the water and roots in it. Someone with hydroponic background would have better advice though.

    One idea is to float a thin slab of styrofoam with a hole in it, the sans sitting over the hole with roots dangling in the water. Many other ways to get it done though, including just seeing what happens with it like it is.

    Russ

    Katrina thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 10 years ago

    Nancy, I've heard the same thing but have also heard a few times that water and soil roots are the same or at least similar. I don't know what the real truth is, but certainly the safe way to go is to leave it in water as you suggest. Anyway, as Katrina says, it's interesting to be able to watch the process happen in water, something we can't see if it's in soil.

    My only concern is that the offset is completely under water. Sans are far from aquatic aquarium plants so I'm not sure that will work for very much longer.

    Russ

  • 10 years ago

    Russ my mother has always told me that. She must have learned it from working in the nursery business. My grandpa and his brothers had a nursery and she worked there doing cuttings of different plants when she was young. The nursery is still around but her cousins run it. Her brothers also had their own nursery and landscaping business.

  • 10 years ago

    That was a thought too...will I drown it?

  • 10 years ago

    Nancy, mom's and grandpa's know best!

    Katrina, I don't think it will 'drown' if the pup is raised out of the water. But the trick is how to do that and leave the roots in it. That little raft I mentioned would be a cute trick if you could do it, but I'm sure you can come up with something better. I do fear if you leave it submerged it will rot. I was hoping someone with hydroponic knowledge would chime in, but even with that method the plant is above the water.

    Russ

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    How about those African violet pots, the pot in a pot, where water stays on the outside but the soil on the inside always remains moist?

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