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Heat Pump replacement decision

10 years ago

I have a small home that is single story plus unfinished basement at about 1200 sf space on the living floor. We are in a garden house arrangement with an attached home on each side so the requirements are modest. We only have electric to heat and cool the home and no other option is available.

The service company that checks our unit every season came out and the technician told me the mega ohm test said caution reading. I do not know the exact reading because I did not know to ask at the time, The technician has been here before and seems competent. He has given me advice to do simple stuff myself such as replace the compressor capacitor. He told me on this visit that the blower motor capacitor was questionable and gave me the specs to replace, but then he went out and checked the compressor and told me I should consider system replacement soon. The existing unit is a Lennox installed by this service company and is about 16 years old. They also did the original unit in the home when it was built and tell me as long as ducts have not changed drastically (they have not) the sizing from original build is still valid.

An additional data point is my electric usage since people tell me it will go up as the unit goes bad. From our first full year here in 2011 until 20115 the electric usage avg KWH per month has been 1056, 996, 1138, 1221, 1208. Some difference can be accounted for by installing new Kitchen appliances in dec 2014 and a new washer dryer in 2013. Also started using a very old chest freezer in basement in 2013.

So my question is how seriously I should consider replacement. The unit runs fine currently. Should I proactively replace it now, or wait until full failure?

The service company is a Lennox dealer and quoted a replacement of about $11K for a CBX32MV blower and a XP16 compressor. The XP21 compressor would be about $700 more. This will include the fancy wifi thermostat and humidifier, as well as the clean 16 filter box. I have not gotten another quote yet so have not tried to negotiate a best deal or anything like that. I like this service company and would use them if their price is reasonable when I get another quote. Is the XP21 a good unit and a worthwhile upgrade. The compressor is right outside the window from our main TV wall, so the $700 cost may be worth it just to save the 9db in noise.

I am really not at all knowledgable about HVAC so advice is welcome. We currently live in a 55+ community and I have never replaced a HVAC system in any home we lived in previously, so I guess we have been lucky.


Comments (11)

  • 10 years ago

    We are in the Philly area, so hot summers for AC and cold winters for heat.

    He mentioned that the heat strips would be staged so that they can turn partially on, I guess 1,2, or 3 at a time.

    The current unit is 2 ton and he recommends staying with that. It seems adequate now and he said oversizing was worse than undersizing.

    How accurate a prediction is is the mega ohm test. This is the first caution reading, and we get it checked out twice a year. Will it likely live for years more?

    Thanks for your help, Bruce

  • 10 years ago

    What exactly was tested with the mega ohm test?

  • 10 years ago

    I believe it is a standard test for the condenser motor. I have looked it up and apparently it indicates when the insulation is breaking down which is the primary cause of motor failure. The article I saw said below 100 M is caution and below 30 M is bad.

  • 10 years ago

    The mega test is for the windings in the compressor. From the start / run windings to the compressor case. Low ohm reading would indicate that the insulation on the windings is breaking down.

    I wouldn't replace it.

    bruce2782 thanked geoffrey_b
  • 10 years ago

    A 16 year old heat pump is reaching its end of life. It makes sense to replace the system if you plan on living on this house for another 5 years or so. You should be able to make it through the summer and do the replacement in the fall when rebates are available and HVAC companies are not as busy.

    I think $11K for a 2 ton Lennox system is high. Get quotes for Trane or American Standard dealers. I also think having the system serviced twice a year is not necessary. Once a year should be fine. Change the filter as often as needed.

    bruce2782 thanked mike_home
  • 10 years ago

    I got a quote for a Trane XV18 which also comes in at 11K and the XV17 is about 1000 less, and the XV16 is another 1000 less. It all seems very expensive.

    If Tigerdunes recommended the basic unit instead of the fancy modulating one. Why would someone buy the fancy one, is there a benefit?


  • 10 years ago

    from my first post to this thread...

    just for information, you can never justify the higher SEER condensers with cost savings versus the higher purchase price.

    11k for a 2 ton XV18...ridiculous...the benefit would be marginally better comfort, better efficiency, and of course to Trane and the dealer. The high end HP market is definitely trending toward these var speed condensers that operate withing a given range. I suggest the XV model is overkill for a small zone like yours.


    get a price on XR15-XR16 Trane, same from AmStd Silver 15 or 16 with best matching var speed air handler...probably a 7.5 KW heat strip.


    IMO

  • 10 years ago

    I had a guy come in and he suggested a Lenox Merit 14HPX at only about $6K. He said for our space no reason to go for the fancy units that are harder to maintain and he felt a plain 14 SEER unit would be suitable since we did not have a big enough space to get allot of savings from high efficiency. Is this more like the right track?

  • 10 years ago

    The 14HPX is a basic single stage heat pump. If you are happy with the features then it should be fine for your house. I think it only has a 5 year warranty on the compressor.

    Do you have a detailed quote of what will be done for $6,000? That amount of money does not buy much in the Philadelphia area. Proceed carefully if the installer is providing a low ball quote.

  • 10 years ago

    The 14HPX Lennox HP is a low end south of the border made HP. I would not have it or recommend it. I would want a HP that has electronic demand defrost not the cheap time/temp defrost method that this Lennox model has. I have made my recommendation and am through with this thread.

    IMO

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