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10 years ago

Hi guys,


I bought this grafted adenium one year ago, it lost all its branches, and its been like this scince then, is there any food, etc that would stimulate new growts? It hasnt grown anything in the graft or below the graft in a year, it still alive, i will apreciate your advice


Thanks

Roberto

Zone 9 very hot lots of sun

Comments (34)

  • 10 years ago

    Will you post a photo of the trunk in focus? If your camera has a macro mode, use that. If you have a D800 and macro lenses, hey, that's even better. I just want to get a better look at those spots. They look like scale.

    Pagan

  • 10 years ago

    Pagan here it is, sorry i had to take my Nikon to the pawn shop :(, im broke, i only have my note 5

  • 10 years ago

    Are those little bumps scale?

  • 10 years ago

    Sorry, my english is a little bit limited, they grow like dusty bumps you can take that dust with ur hands

  • 10 years ago

  • 10 years ago

    Do you have plastic over the top of the caudex? Is soft or mushy in area's? Where. When did you last change pots? Did you look at the roots?

  • 10 years ago
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    Sorry to hear of your troubles, hope things will soon turn around again for you, fingers crossed:-) By the way, your English is fine, trust me.......I'm English!

    How very odd, I've never seen anything like it. Hope someone can offer an explanation of the problem for you. I have seen pictures similar to those small crater like markings on some Adeniums but nothing like the dusty patches or the larger white outlines.

    Don't think there's plastic over the top Marica, but I can se what you mean, think it's just how those odd white lines are positioned almost encircling it just down from the top surface.

    I'm sure someone will be along soon and give some more ideas on what you can do.

    Gill

  • 10 years ago
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    What is the string for? If it was on there tight it could have killed the graft. It looks like there is an indentation.

  • 10 years ago

    Yep. Those do look like scales, Roberto. I have gone through that battle before. These armored insects have several generations a year. Timing in treatment is critical and there is zero room for error. In short, after that one battle, now, every time I see it, I don't think twice anymore---I just throw away the plant.

    While you decide what to do, isolate it from your other plants if you have any. The bumps are embedded permanently but males and nymphs can and do crawl.

    Hopefully, someone will disagree with my ID.

    Pagan

  • 10 years ago

    Pagen, so the bumps come from scales? are the scales living in the bumps?

  • 10 years ago

    I just googled scales insects and saw some pictures, it doesnt look like scales, these bumps look like if something is starting to grow and then suddenly it dries and becomes dust


    Thank you Gill, but i still know my English is short and bad

  • 10 years ago

    The graft has rotten away and it's grafting tape. The plant won't grow new branches unles you do a graft on the plant. The bumps have to do with temperuture changes. It's better to buy a new plant.

  • 10 years ago

    Nah. If it is alive and not dying, it will grow new branches. If not from the grafted scion, then from the stock.

  • 10 years ago

    Roborto I would look at the roots just to see what is happening, If you are unable to buy the insecticide you can try rubbing alcohol and a small amount of liquid dish soap. Spray or rub it on, you can do this every other day for a week. But scale are hard to kill so I have used a systemic pesticide, You don't need much. If the tree stays firm not mushy you may be able to save it but it will take awhile.

    It will not hurt to rinse off the roots to see how they are doing. These plants can hang to heal for a long time out of the dirt. Once we see the roots we will know if you can just leave them alone. Is the caudex or base wrinkled anywhere?

    How does the graft feel it looks like it has dried out. If so hopefully you have an other scion. If not you may want to remove the graft and apply waterproof elmer glue to help seal the sore. This would let the stock try to leaf out on it's own.

  • 10 years ago

    Roberto, just a thought that sprang to mind......get a pointy thing like a cocktail stick, poke gently one of those crater like patches, if it 'bursts' and bleeds orange/red that would confirm scale....yes...no?

    .....not saying it isn't scale Pagan, it does look like it in some of them, but then no so much in others. I had no idea they buried themselves into the tissues, never seen or come across this before. Does anyone else think this could possibly solve the question as to what they are?

    Gill

  • 10 years ago

    I have an adenium that has these little bumps and it is perfectly healthy (i think). I scratched one of the bumps off last night and it was pretty hard. It was more like part of the tree. I didn't get any gooky stuff on my fingers like i do when i squish mealys or mites.

    Thank you Pagen, I always thought of scale as white hard surfaces on the leaves. Now i know better.

  • 10 years ago

    It looks like a rotted V-graft. spacecoast is right about the bumps, i have a few plants with bumps too. The plant will not produce new shoots If the cut was made too low from the soil line on the caudex.

    Roberto. I am hoping for you that tghe plant will have new shoots.

  • 10 years ago
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    Here is why I suspect scale. The photo on the left shows the normal bumps you see on otherwise healthy adeniums. They are dry, irregularly-shaped protrusions. The one on the right are, for the most part, shaped like neat ovals. The thing that makes me worry is the fact that the surrounding tissue is inflamed or swollen.

    If you poke one of those bumps off of a healthy plant and look under a magnifying glass (or microscope in my case), you will clearly see plant tissue. The underside of an armored scale bump, on the other hand, reminded me of crabs when you pry out the shell (gah).

    I really hope this is not scale. But without seeing the plant myself, I suggest erring on the side of caution. Clearly the plant is problematic. I'd either treat it with oil up to the smithereens or toss it. Given what I remember of dealing with scale, plus the fact that I am lazy, I'd personally toss it.

    Get seeds instead, in fact.

    Pagan

  • 10 years ago

    Pagan. Maybe Roberto`s plant is rotted from the inside?. He have to pull the plant out from the soil and check the roots too

  • 10 years ago

    Yeah, I agree, Stuart. What is amazing, though, is that his plant has been like this for a year--neither growing nor dying.

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Roberto I agree with Pagan toss it

    Roger

  • 10 years ago

    Wow, I've learned something today! Thank you all and thank you Pagan for explaining scale infestation. I would not recognize it without this thread. Tomorrow will inspect my plants. Gosh I started itching myself now. Hahaha

  • 10 years ago

    Hopefully Roberto will be back when time allows and let us know if he has any more info on the plant....I'm itching to know as well Elena....

    Gill

  • 10 years ago

    The tissue under the bumps looks healthy, i will take it out later today and inpect the roots

  • 10 years ago

    Forgot to mention, the graft is like 3/4 of an inch and it looks healthy too, just the very top part of it is dry, but the rest feels and seems good

  • 10 years ago

    Did you treat it with something? Even if it is alcohol and soap.


  • 10 years ago

    Nothing

  • 10 years ago

    Ok for now

    I will wait to see the roots, They usually tell a lot about the tree

  • 10 years ago

    Roots, they dont seem developed

  • 10 years ago

    Your roots look good. You have been growing more of a caudex below ground. The caudex under ground looks firm. What size pot have you been growing this in Width and height? Looks like it has been root bound. Which these trees like. Pot size is important

    I looked up scale and when they are hard to get rid of they say that they use Neem oil with a lite tooth brush on the caudex. I would not scrub to hard. When they are under the skin like yours they say that natural treatment may not work. But it is worth a try. They can hatch egg every other day. The oil would stay on the tree.

  • 10 years ago

    so.. if the plant is healthy and the graft was made really low on the plant where there is no way to grow stems and the graft is dead.. i guess the only option is to graft it again?

  • 10 years ago

    The plant doesn't look that it was root bound. Maybe the soil was bad. And it look like a cutting.

  • 10 years ago

    I would if I could. I just don't like the look of the top of that graft, So you have other trees? How long is the grafted piece? It looks like it has nodes. I use at least 2" piece with a couple of nodes. You could also trim the original tree down a little and put elmers waterproof glue on it and let the original tree start over. What color did you graft to it. Was it the same color? The pot edge you put it in should be about 2" to 3" away from the caudex all the way around. I can't judge the depth of the pot. how long is it from the soil line to the bottom of the big root? The soil needs to be quick draining for your area.

    Are you going to treat it?

    I know this sounds like a lot for just a tree but we all really love our trees. So we will try anything to fix it.

    So quick dry soil pot size and bury at soil line, Then deal with the graft that should be it.

    Slowly train it back to the sun. I leave it in semi shade for 4 days or so