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10 years ago
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Hi guys! Wanted to share my excitement with you! I got the package from ARE with new roses this week. Packaging was exceptional... Can't wait to put them in my garden :) they are: Zephirine, Don Juan, G. Nabonnand, Maggy, mlle de Sombreuil, SDlM...

They defoliated them though and that kind of makes me nervous since I have experience that rose without leaves does soon... but that was during summer.

I still have couple of questions. Will appreciate your help here. First, when do I put them in the ground? Can I do this right away or wait some days or wait until they have leaves? What would you do? As I said I'm afraid to shock those naked ladies :)

And secondly, since I can see clearly their stems now I noticed some browning on them. Is it the thing to be concerned about or they will be ok? Here are few pics:

thank you!!

Comments (19)

  • 10 years ago

    I think you could plant them right away at this time of year. They look wonderful including some brownish areas on canes. They should do great.

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 10 years ago

    Natasha, congratulations on your new rose babies! Great choices!! Nurseries sometimes remove leaves before shipping during stressful weather. Heirloom does this, too. Your roses look like they are budding up to leaf out again and will probably regrow foliage in a couple of weeks. I'd keep them potted and watered well for awhile and wait to plant to prevent shock. In Arizona, I'm guessing that morning sun would be good during the transition period, but I defer to gardeners in your region regarding planting time. I used to live in North TX and would have followed my suggested procedure when I lived there. If the end of the canes turn brown, just nip off right below the dead tissue. Your plants look good and healthy to my eye, and, most importantly, I'll bet there are strong roots below the soil. Enjoy those beautiful blooms and yummy fragrance! Carol

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked portlandmysteryrose
  • 10 years ago
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    It looks like you chose some good sorts to try- I hope they will all like your garden.

    The plants look very healthy to me; green canes tend to turn brown with age, and sometimes it looks a bit patchy, but nothing I would worry about. I haven't ordered many plants from ARE, but was impressed with the size and health of their plants, and I hear the same from others who post here.

    It is often my experience that after mailing, my new arrivals tend to defoliate then refoliate fairly quickly; my guess is that your newcomers will releaf fairly quickly, but I wouldn't expose them to full AZ sun until they have done so. If you want to plant them right away, some sort of improvised shading might be a good idea?

    Others from your area may have better advice though...

    Enjoy!

    Virginia

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked User
  • 10 years ago
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    I received 3 roses from ARE two weeks ago. I left them in open shade for about 2 weeks, being careful not to let them dry out. Now, they receive morning sun only. Even though it was 78 degrees today, it is still sunny, dry, and that makes a difference. These roses will not be planted until they leaf out a little more. Generally, I begin Fall planting around the 2nd or 3rd week in October. Maybe someone from Phoenix will chime in with information regarding the best time for Fall planting there...

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
  • 10 years ago

    Oh no, they get very filtered sun right now. Don't want them to get burnt. In one day I already see leaves coming out on some of them! Amazing. I think I will give them time to releaf first. Still need to put up the trellis for climbers... so it will be a waiting time well spent :) home my babies will like my garden. Fingers crossed. It took a lot of my time to choose exactly these and ARE for shipment. At some point I started thinking about them in my sleep even! But as I said before I enjoy it so much! thank you, ladies!

  • 10 years ago

    Congratulations! Getting new roses in the mail feels like Christmas doesn't it? I'm in zone 9b and I have ordered from ARE recently. Mine came the same way and I have been really happy with them. I actually just got a new order today of Sombruiel.

    I keep them in their pots in sweet spot of my yard, near my faucet, where they get a very filtered sun during the day. They get the sunrise and sunset in this sweet spot, but shady sun the rest of the day. I left them there until they developed some leaves on those little stems. Maybe a week? It's still really hot and sunny here mid day so I'm waiting just a little longer to put them in.

    Here's a photo of my week old "new" rose and my NEW "new" rose. :)

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy
  • 10 years ago

    I should also mention that even through I photographed them on stone, I'm keeping them in the dirt in their thin little nursery pots while they leaf out. On the stone I think the pots and the roots would get too hot. Just my thought process though.

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy
  • 10 years ago
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    I noticed that temperatures in Phoenix are in the 90's, and some days close to 100. I would keep with what you are doing, Natasha, and wait until the plants leaf out to provide protection from sun in the South. I would also wait until the temperatures cool down more before planting. I try to exercise a little patience and play it safe ( well sometimes), versus the alternative and being sorry... Especially with nice plants and prime planting time approaching...

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
  • 10 years ago

    yes, we are still close to 100s here... sigh... that's why I would rather give them shade right now than loose them again. Scalded cat fears cold water. Especially when it was like a Christmas in October for me, indeed! I was excited as a kid, I ran home, unpacked them, introduced them to my garden... crazy stuff, lol Now they are resting under one of my palm tree in the shade.

    That's interesting about defoliation... Some state requirements... I received roses from Chamblee's without them being defoliated at all. But those are so babies that taking all leaves from them would kill them right there. And both nurseries are in TX. Maybe they found it to be the best way to avoid shipment shock for plants...

    Cori Ann, your roses look nice! what rose the left one is? I like your Welcome figurine :)

  • 10 years ago
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    Thanks Natasha. :) Sombreuil is the new rose to the right and Archduke Charles is to the left. I have a red, white and pink theme in my yard. With lavender accents.

    Archduke Charles came about a week ago with no leaves, but is coming along nicely. I tend to find roses I like that do really well here without a lot of pampering, then plant in mass. I liked how ARE sent the roses and how they looked A LOT so I just bought more Archduke Charles and a few others to repeat in my yard too. Very healthy, established roses. I'm super happy with ARE! I recently bought from Rogue Valley Roses too.

    Sombreuil is new to me. I bought it at the recommendation of Jeri and a few others in this group. Lots of experts on here! It looks extra robust (and thorny) even for a new rose. I have a big arbor that it should be perfect for! I'm excited for my new newcomers too! :)

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy
  • 10 years ago
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    I would definitely wait until cooler temperatures before planting these roses and meanwhile would start them out in the shade and then gradually move them to where they get some morning sun and no afternoon sun at all until it has cooled down considerably. I have some roses coming Oct. 17 as bands from Rogue Valley Roses (Mlle. de Sombreuil, International Herald Tribune and Lavender Mist (2), and Plum Perfect on Oct. 27 from ARE. I'm not planning on planting any of them until daytime temps are in the 70's and nighttime in the 50's. Today it was 91 so we're not there yet. I imagine they will go into the ground some time in November.

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 10 years ago
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    Great temperature markers Ingrid! In my area the weather is bipolar this time of year. And there are weird microclimates everywhere. Today and tomorrow it's the nineties. Next week it is supposed to be 68 and rainy. I think I should be able to plant next week if it really does start to cool.

    Rain in my area isn't really rain though until possibly January, more likely March. It's more like a single, sparing kiss of water.

    Do you have a shady spot on dirt you can place them for a few weeks Natasha? Or if on concrete or stone can you put cardboard under them? That's what I do if I have to put them on something hot like stone.

    If they get morning sun too (but not direct afternoon sun), that seems to be the consensus of the best case scenario for areas where it's still hot in autumn. :)

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy
  • 10 years ago

    Oh wow, when the temperature is at 70s... it is long time to wait! Right now those are our night temperatures here... But I will try to be patient as I want them to stay in my garden :) we had a wonder last Saturday of all day rain. It cooled down the air and ground significantly. Right now roses are on rocks. But as far as I remember from last weekend we had a lot of shadow under that palm tree. So don't think rocks become that hot there. But here comes weekend. With days becoming shorter and shorter every day I will check their conditions during the day when I'm not around and adjust it if needed.

    Archduke Charles was on my list for a long time. But then for some reason I opted him out. Now I even don't remember why :) just remember I liked him on pictures here. I noticed that I tend to like cooler colors in my yard too. I think in order to offset this heat :)

  • 10 years ago

    From ARE catalogue: "Please note that roses entering western states (CA,WA,AZ,NV,ID,UT) must be stripped of all leaves due to agricultural protocol of these states."

    As I mentioned, I personally think it's fine to plant ARE roses in October. I would be much more careful about planting a band, but ARE plants are much bigger. If worried about getting too much sun, you can put an umbrella or something over them for a while. I find they suffer more in the pot in the heat than in the ground. Of course you have to pay attention to them, water them, etc. You can't just stick them in the ground and ignore them. I plant many roses in October and haven't lost too many. Mostly the ones I lose are the ones i plant on a whim in Feb or March.

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked debbym, Tempe, AZ Zone 9
  • 10 years ago

    You might want to put the little cardboard square that came in the bottom of the ARE box under the roses while they're on the rocks. Just in case their little roots get too hot in that black plastic on the rocks. I notice it helps to hold moisture for them too while still breathing.

    You're right they will probably be fine. I just take that extra precaution just in case. :)

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy
  • 10 years ago

    thank you, Debbie for the quote. It makes thing more confusing since I received both leafed and defoliated roses and both were from Texas. Oh well... the most important thing that they are strong and will come to life with leaves pretty soon :) I'm glad ARE has such big variety to choose from and plants are healthy. I might start with planting some on more shady spots... that way I will buy time for the weather to cool off some more :)

    thank you, Cori Ann for the idea with boxes they arrived in. I didn't think about that :) and I still have them!

  • 10 years ago
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    I was surprised that I sunburned leaves of a second new "Orfeo" from RVR early July in a black plastic pot on my patio, after I treated an identical first one exactly the same way in mid May and it did great. I had thought the leaves looked tough enough. Obviously this was really stupid in retrospect because July was not the same as May. Both plants had some foliage to start, and the first one put out great new growth and gorgeous blooms by 6 weeks. The second, after the sad sunburn only put out smaller new leaves. Now, 2 weeks after being put in the ground, it is exploding into new growth with buds. The first one also in the ground longer, is just sitting there probably growing roots I hope. The biggest surprise to me is that the plants coped fine either way with the sad sunburn of the second seeming not to have affected it, although I learned my lesson. They both will have had one big flush of blooms and hopefully will winter over OK and be good to go next summer. Plants can cope apparently with my mistakes, sometimes. I know this is a hot climate beginner mistake. My ARE roses never had trouble, whatever, they are strong. I never got any in July however.

    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 10 years ago

    I would plant the roses sometime around October 21st.




    Natasha (Chandler AZ 9b) W thanked Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country