Looks like Sally Holmes to me, but others will probably know better for confirmation. It's always white here (probably because we have so much sun), but I have seen pics of it being more apricot and pinkish in the bud stage. Wow the watercolor strokes of pink and peach on this one in the shade looks lovely! It's one of my favorite roses in this area.

Your 3rd image definitely reminds me of Sally Holmes based upon how it appears in my garden. I have seen another rose that looks similar, but I just do not remember the name :(

Looks very much like Sally Holmes to me. I used to grow it, and particularly remember the apricot-pink buds.

Doubtless.

OMG! How did I miss Sally Holmes? They grow it in one of my local parks, but I just thought it was a once bloomer and apricot. I may have to add this to my ARE order instead of Cl.Clotilde Soupert. I think it will look nice with Bubble Bath, Cl Felicia, Belinda and maybe for a North-facing wall. THANK YOU for posting these pics. Wow! Fragrant, as well!

Vaporvac if you wanna wait to order, I may have some rooted cuttings (bands) that I would trade for something. I have 3 rooting now. If they all take I will have at least 1 extra. :) I might have 3 extra. I don't really know where to put them. I love them though, so I could always find a spot. Especially since now I know they tolerate shade so well!

I would really appreciate that because ordering it means NOT ordering something else. :( Is your current SH vigorous or too new to tell? That is so generous of you. I'm a fairly good "plant mommy", so you needn't feel like it wouldn't make it. I wonder how long it takes to establish.

I have a few non-patented varieties I could trade and will have more after the ARE order, although I wouldn't take cuttings until they're more established. I also have some seeds that may interest you just for fun.

Sure! I think the cuttings would be like well established little bands and ready to ship later this spring. By April or May? The one I have is vigorous. I haven't really ever seen a Sally Holmes that isn't vigorous and showy around here. :) I will put your name on one of them. We can figure out what to trade and all the details later. It is still quite winter-y where you are right? No worries... I don't mind waiting to figure out all the particulars.

:)

Sally did great for me in north Texas with just morning sun. The huge trusses of bloom are unbelievable but when they all fade...not so pretty.

So I was actually glad she was located where I didn't look out on her all day...!

Hi Barbara. Are you saying they persist and need to be dead-headed or just go white? I don't mind having to dead-head one plant and chose most of my others for clean petal fall.

Vaporvac it can hold onto its flowers a little and there are several on a truss in different stages (some budding, some aged). Since it blooms so much, there are also a lot of aging flowers. I have solved this problem in the past by bringing a lot of them indoors for huge bouquets. It seems easier to snap the spent flowers off when they're in a bouquet right there in front of you and you're just walking by. Like Barbara, I also have mine planted right now out where it's not in front of my face all the time so I can admire it from a distance and my OCD won't kick in and force me to snap off every spent bloom.

I think it's even better in cooler areas like yours. It has more character and color to the blooms if you like that. But, I personally like the showy white blooms in my area too.

The first photo of Carol's kind of shows what they start to look like as they age.

Thank you all for confirmation! And thank you for photos, Old Rosarian. Please, everyone feel free to carry this thread into a general SH commentary conversation. It would be informative to hear how she does in other gardens and conditions. A mature Sally is truly show stopping! I spotted her at dusk and from across a wide street. Discovering that she is thriving and blooming in serious shade impressed me even more. She is very heathy even if a little less than bushy. Carol

Definitely Sally. BTW, she roots VERY easily and grows extremely well own root. And, she is not patented. (hint, hint)

Hmmmm. Sounds like it is very likely all three of my cuttings will root and I will be sending one your way Vaporvac. :)

I once saw enormous arrangements made for a baby shower from Sally Holmes. Huge bowls of massive clusters of those pastel pink, apricot and milk-white buds and blooms. Like hydrangeas on steroids! They were gorgeous!

Hint taken, Kim. Those arrangements must have been something to behold! I'm smitten with this big, fluffy, healthy Hybrid Musk. Carol

You will love it. For quite a few years, THE landscape roses around Los Angeles have been Sally Holmes, Cl. Iceberg and the bush forms of Iceberg. Mow-blow-goers can't kill them; they'll tolerate more shade, neglect and abuse than most other roses and you can buy them almost everywhere.

Vaporvac your Sally Holmes cutting is looking good. I would wait another month or so at least, but really whenever you're ready for it just message me and we will coordinate. :)

Yeah! You're the best. : ) I needed some good news today. This helps make up for the Ludwig's cancellation, although I'll always dream of Candice. : ( I can't wait to read your updates on budding. I'll let you know when I can care for her.

Ugh, this thread convinced me that I really do need Sally Holmes but when I went to buy it from ARE they are sold out...very sad. Maybe it's a sign, I did promise my sister no new roses this year.

Ziyakr I'm not sure you really need to buy a Sally Holmes. Roseseek is 100% right that it roots really easy. If you can just find someone that has one... ask if you can have a cutting and root it! I think I took these about a month ago and they're coming along fine with really no care whatsoever. Three on the left are Sally Holmes cuttings. Once you have one you can root as many as you want. ;)

Cori Ann, you should probably not encourage me like that since I will soon (hopefully) be moving my entire garden to a new house (which is why my sister is being SO mean). I will keep this in mind, tho the only example I've ever seen of Sally Holmes (or any other antique roses) is at the Loose Park Rose Garden and I would be loathe to steal bits of their roses.

Well if you really want it at your new place I'm sure I or others on the forum would have cuttings to send. :) Or does the Park Rose Garden have volunteer pruning days when they might allow you to take cuttings on an approved basis?

Just thought I'd update with my cutting. She's still smallish, but may be going in her permanent home soon?

Congratulations!

I'm so glad it is doing well for you!

Congratulations, Vaporvac! Carol

Thank you, Cori Ann and everyone else. I'm so glad it didn't die after after you gave it such a good start. I would have felt like a bad rose moma. I'm still torn on putting her in the ground or over-wintering her in the coal cellar or even in my solarium as I did with my cuttings last year. Hmmmm. Anyway, I find it interesting how her stamens signaled "I'm done!", while she otherwise looks so fresh. I know they all do this, but it's so obvious with huge her HUGE stamens. From this afternoon:

The Sally Holmes we had, which was a wonder for the ages, for years, came from Heirloom, when they were "Heirloom Old Garden Roses". Their mother plant was grown from cuttings from the original seedling, and it grew rapidly to become a tree.

It was so wonderful that we bought another -- but that was budded onto Dr. Huey, and thus virused, and it never got above 3 ft. tall. What a difference!

The "tree" was wonderful for years, but gall finally got it. Well, that, and the fact that we'd planted it in a half-wine-barrel . . . DON'T make that mistake!

Jeri it was just gorgeous. I hope mine end up growing like that. My "mother" rose bush is own root and on its way to becoming a "tree," although I'm sure it will take a few years to look like that! :-)

You'd be surprised, Cori Ann! It grew pretty quickly!

I don't know why I never paid attention to Sally Holmes before. I didn't even realize she was a Hybrid Musk. I always thought "huge thorny rambler", when I heard "Sally Holmes". Lisa

I love this rose too! Got 2 from Walmart in body bags for $5 each 3 years ago. They are the best body bag roses! :-)

Actually a hybrid multiflora, Lisa, and many of them ARE "big, thorny ramblers", though Sally has huge flowers in huge sprays and, in the right conditions and climate, they happen ALL the time. She's an amazing landscape plant.

Well, I'm guessing Cincinnati isn't the ideal spot, but I'll do all I can to make her happy. I think one of our local parks grows one up an arbor. Maybe I'll go check that out. summers, you're lucky to have found her at Walmart.

One of my favorite gardening design idea sites (gardenia.net) has a great photo of Sally Holmes with lots of grasses and purple companion plants.

Isn't that a great design? I'm trying to create a similar effect, but with a few substitutes to the plants in their design. I'm using verbena, purple fountain grass and lantana instead of what they have there. Asters could work here too... but I haven't added them yet. And of course I want Sally Holmes to be a tree instead of the little baby bush they have there.

I may end up putting a couple Peace rose bushes in there too because they are currently orphans without a home and I can't figure out where to put them.

I love Sally Holmes. As a tree, climbing over a structure, trained horizontally through a ranch style fence. It's fantastic and super easy here in CA.

I think the 'Peace' roses would really go well with Sally. I have another little bud coming up! Yay! That picture is beautiful. Here, I have to worry about everything becoming invasive, especially grasses. I really love them, though and still plan on getting a Pampas grass someday..

I love my Sally Holmes and in reading this thread I would like to try and root some cuttings. Anyone willing to share a full proof method for this rose in fairly good detail so a beginner can follow the instructions?

Thanks!

mmmm12, I'll post a couple of links once I get to my other computer. Cori Ann, when I transplanted your cutting I broke a cane and figured I might as well try to root it. I TOTALLLY forgot that's what it was until it bloomed in huge sprays last week, so now I have two! I'm just saying it IS so easy to root you'll forget even trying. Now I'm going to make a few more because I like repetition and love this showy rose. It grows into a large climber as a local garden. My original plant was put in the ground this spring and is getting established. sometimes a rose is a good as one dreams. : ))

On a completely OT subject, I see above that I commented needing some good news and realized it was the day we found out my DH needed a heart transplant STAT. This forum really helped me through some tough times, but I can't believe I still had the where-withall to post that day.

I hope everything worked out for your husband and you vaporvac. Gardens can be so healing and comforting.

Yes, please keep us in the loop about your husband's progress. I think it would be safe to say all our thoughts, good wishes and prayers are with you both!

vaporvac, I can't believe you had brain cells to spare for roses with incredible news like that. Very best wishes to you and your husband, and do let us know how he, and you, are doing.