Ok, guess, I am going to have a shot in this.

I love Kew Gardens. So cute but I can't grow it in my zones 9b. Marlorena, show it on her threads , I love it and so do , Lisa.

So, I try to Google a few roses . I came up with 3. Now, I am confused

I need help in choosing among this 3.

Jacqueline du Pre.

Nevada

Golden wings

So, any 1 ....Nik are you there, my friend ?

Roseseek, what so you think ?

Anyone?

Jin

Oh my goodness, so this is where the post appears....lol

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Opps! Sorry, Nik.......lol

Jin

Rose, did I tell you. "You are being CUTE "....lol

Ok...I am going to die of laughing...lol

Jin

b?Hi Jin, why can't you grow Kew Gardens in 9b?

Jacqueline du Pre - pretty flowers, odd architecture, marvelous scent but in my 9b garden (the old Newhall garden) the foliage and canes got really cruddy looking (stem crud) by mid summer and it remained that way until the following spring.

Nevada - was also the 9b Newhall garden, where it had no discernible scent and refused to rebloom.

Golden wings - both 9b (Newhall) and 10a (Encino). Awful looking plant in both gardens; beautiful flowers, beautiful stamen, some scent. Bloomed most of the summer. It reminded me of what a bush form of Mermaid should look like...except for the stem crud and very tired foliage by mid summer. While I enjoyed all three, none of them were brought to the new garden in Santa Maria. And, I wouldn't breed with any of the three as I want better looking foliage and plants. I hope that helps you sort things out.

Well I was reading this article then Google more and more. But , I think you basically answered way beyond of pros and cons.

Kew Gardens is zone 5-8. Unsure of heat and extremely humidity. I look for anything not close to 8 but 10 so that way roses get a chance of survival.

Do you grow Kew ? What is " old new hall garden"?

Anyways, I was reading this below link

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://santafebotanicalgarden.org/june-2013/&ved=2ahUKEwiqwbuiw-jYAhUDWa0KHZYSBIwQFjAAegQIDxAB&usg=AOvVaw2SsicLnj3EPjyQPXCPqfaD

No, I am not thinking of breeding at all. I am such a newbie...lol

Jin

No ma'am, I don't grow Kew Gardens, but of the English Roses, it piques my interest. Thank you for pointing it out! Ironic they spent all this time pumping out bazillian petaled roses only to "reintroduce" Sally Holmes' look. For 18 years, I grew roses in a canyon in Newhall, CA in the Santa Clarita Valley. If you click on this, you can see what passed through that garden in those years. I collected and grew everything that interested me as I always knew I wanted to try my hand at breeding roses. I figured the only way to know what was "new" or "improved" was to study as much of what came before as I could. Ralph Moore would walk me through the new seedlings and I would usually find something I found interesting. He would often say, "yes, that's nice. I was there twenty years ago...", meaning "been there, done that".

I would think for a Florida garden, you would more easily find ross happy in those conditions among the Teas, Chinas, Noisettes and other 'evergreen' types. Dr. Manners' garden at Florida Southern College should help show what is happy in possibly similar conditions, depending upon where you live. There are a few Floridian rose nurseries who should also be able to help point you in the direction of what you should expect would do well there.

Yes, it's possible Kew might be happier in a less heat extreme climate. Many roses I've attempted over the years grew and even flowered where I tried them, but they were no where near as glorious as they were where they were better suited. Many of the OGRs grew and flowered, but they weren't nearly as healthy, long-lived nor as sumptuous as they were in shorter growing seasons with more water, milder sun and less extreme heat. Just because something will grow somewhere, doesn't mean it will be GOOD there. Enjoy your "newbie" status! It won't last long! LOL!

I fell for Kew Gardens myself. It just figures that it’s not a available in the US of A :( Lisa

I second Kim's observations on Jacqueline du Pre.

Definitely! If you can visit, do! The campus was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright and is worth seeing for that. From the photos, the gardens are beautiful and if you can meet Malcolm, DO! He's a lovely gentleman!

For Florida, you might also want to look at the Roses Unlimited Viraraghavan roses, bred in India and definitely more tropical than Golden Wings (from northern Ohio) and Jac. du Pre, which I last saw thriving in Burlington Ontario.

Viraraghavan's roses at help me find

I am hoping to meet him. Looking forward to meet him next month. Not sure how to get in touch with him bec he has no msg or email. I am not on FB. So, just going there for his workshop just to look can't volunteer but to shadow ( or watch) is a next big learning experience for me.

Thanks

Jin

I read about him not long ago on Viraraghavan' s like 2017 when I learned first about Fortuniana rootstock. I tumble on him on Google research.

But I did not know about Roses Unlimited at all.

Thank you Stillanntn for reminding me about him.

Jin

Jin, contacting Malcolm is easy. You can follow him on Flickr and view photos of the gardens and his trips by clicking here. After you follow him on Flickr, you can post comments on his photos and perhaps let him you know you would like to contact him. He posted a thread about their pruning workshop and party here on Houzz a week or so ago. You could probably post there to let him know you'd like to contact him. Do you have private messaging enabled here on Garden Web/Houzz? Or, you could look up the phone number to Florida Southern College and likely contact him through their switch board.

Yup. That is the thread I replied and look for his private msg. That is the day, I am heading to see the place next month. I was hoping he will see the message that I like to come but no experience at all...lol.

You kinda read my mind on contacting thro school. The Flickr, I don't know about. Thank you for your advice. I truly appreciate it very much. I am sure I am going to learned a lot from him. He was the person I was excited to meet when I realized he is not far from me. Being a professor on top of that is a big plus. I know he goes through this many times.

Jin

Yes, my email is there. I do received emails from forum rosarian a lot.

Good! Enjoy and learn lots! I've not seen his garden, but from photos, you should love it!

Sorry, I don’t know where I got the idea ‘Kew Gardens’ wasn’t available in the US. Either it’s a recent offering in the US, or I had a brain f**t. Let’s hope it’s the former, but more likely it’s the latter:)

PS. Kim, your ‘Green Rose Reversion’ cuttings look good! I don’t see roots yet, but they look really healthy and are growing lots of beautiful leaves. Lisa

Don't worry, Lisa. How many balls can you juggle at once and still pay attention to all around you? And, it's not as if it was any IMPORTANT detail. Congratulations, so far, on the cuttings! If they still look good, it's a good sign! Fingers are crossed for you!

Lisa, I just got a msg from FedX. My roses 3 boxes are coming on 25th. I got my days mixed.....I am so, so, so excited like a little girl in a candy store. I should have got it before Christmas but I was so worried that I was never ready. Isn't that wonderful :)

Jin

I'm so happy and excited for you, Jin!

Thank you Sheila. Thank you for helping me, guidance and support. Now, I am going to cry already. All you guys been so wonderful. Jeri, Lisa, Morlorena, Vap..I can list all you guys. Without you, I would have given up. Thank you :)

I have 1 question. When do I put it in ground. Wait for a while or go ahead ?

Thanks

Jin

Which company are they coming from? Some companies send tiny treasures that might need a boost in a pot for a few months or more. Others, like Antique Rose Emporium send plants ready for the in ground planting.

ARE...oh good to know. I saw a post in " worst rose mistakes" KS put baby roses in ground and they all got burn and died. And I got concern bec that was exactly what I was going to do.

Phew! Thanks again. Now, I feel better knowing.

Jin

I’m so excited for you! You just have to tell us what’s coming! How fun to get 3 boxes of roses at once. It’s like Christmas and your birthday combined! Yes, please do tell us where they are coming from and what they are. I think you have David Austin’s coming from the DA site, but I don’t know if this is that order. I can’t wait to hear what you’ve chosen. Lisa

No, it is coming from South Florida, Cool Roses. It is all in fortuniana rootstock. Pam sells also. DA recommended her Bec hers is own roots and organic .And DA in Texas is a choice of Own roots and bare roots.

I was leaning about roots. What grows here and what was recommended. Trust me I was extremely confused. So, reading so much I tumble on Viraraghavan's site. I put it off for months. But, I started googling on roses that people grow in my zone and compare to Arizona and higher zones like Miami and islands. Types of roses lead me to your forum that was so breathtaking. Names, I never saw in Home Depot and Lowe's. So, I wanted those roses and I read here and there and more. The day, I signed up Houzz when I introduced myself..that is maybe 5 months ago...more or less. I was taken back by all you guys. So happy to join. It was like every rose you showed I love . So, I Google more about roses non stop. Beautiful homes and Beautiful gardens.

So, I did research on Antiques Rose's... love them. So, I finally ordered them.

Yup and more coming in March. Jeff from Cool Roses is coming here to Leu Gardens so to save me shipping. He will bring it along . Also save me from driving 2 hours 1 way to see him. Trust me, I am so grateful to him , I can give him a hug... lol.

I am ordering way more from KnM and whoever has what I am looking. I make sure it grows in my zones. Think it is another 15 coming. So, I am going to wait and do my fence. And trellises and so much work .

Than, I have to take a chair and look at my front yard. A huge, huge project. Thinking of putting white picket fence with more roses.

Also looking at a rose trees ...

But back to reality, my first batch is coming in. I hope they grow big and strong. My little babies...lol.

Sorry, I am so excited.

Jin

Oh yes, Florida has those root nematodes right? Is that what the fortuniana rootstock is good for? That’s definitely something I know nothing about, except that those nematodes are bad guys. Jin, you forgot to tell us what’s coming. We’re excited!!! Lisa

I have not check for months. He put what he has and changes but he did cuttings last time that I missed. You do it and come back in a few weeks or something like that. It is yours to keep. His list is small but changes a lot.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.coolroses.com/&ved=2ahUKEwjLoNOrlO3YAhVNWqwKHQwzD6YQFjAYegQICxAD&usg=AOvVaw2AfM3127IjtolX7woYy-Qo

Check out crafting with roses. Potpourri,

I don't even know how to do that...lol

Enjoy

Jin

No, not all are bad. Pam basically talk to me about that nearly an hour. She said there are good and bad. You need good ones. Every body has nematodes . Just up North is lesser Bec of cold. They can't survive cold but build up but little.

I am still New in this...Lisa feel like you are testing me...lol

But, we can control it by using Manure

How, why..I can't remember. Sorry, short memory but it brings activity down. So, own roots can grow but you have to manure it. So, I guess I have do do yearly .Fortuniana will eventually be own roots just matter of time. This part I am not sure but I am pretty certain. Guess by 5 years time, I might get a degree.... HURRAY :)

Jin

Roseseek, Malcolm Manners invite me to come for his big day Feb 24 which I better request a day off from work.

On his thread and I am so looking forward to be there. Like you said lots to learn. Thank you by the way :)

Jin

Wonderful, Jin! Congratulations! That's neat! Please give him my best when you see him. We are frequently in contact with each other on line, but it's always nice to have a lovely friendly face deliver those greetings in person. You will learn a lot and you will have a wonderful time! You're welcome! Enjoy!