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9 years ago

looks like there are some good roots? Please advice

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  • 9 years ago

    Wood glue, really? That seems like an odd choice. Most wood glues I know of tend to get slimy and gummy when wet, absorbing water much like Elmer's would.

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    Waterproof wood glue, Patty. Many here use it to seal off large cuts. The glue also prevents atrophy of plant tissue.

  • 9 years ago

    Sounds good, just not the usual kind we have around here so it threw me. ;) I'm using glue as well for the same things, just another kind.

    eeyore94sooregon thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 9 years ago

    a week later and it's growing mold! As I figured it would. So what to do now. Please advice!

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    Probably the best thing you can do without rewetting this persay is spraying or rinsing it with 70% or higher alcohol. If you use isopropyl alcohol, just don't breath it as it's not good for you internally. If you have Golden Grain or similar ethanol alcohol that is 70% or more then that would do fine as well. Sprayed or rinsed. It evaporates quickly. I'd have used sulfur spray originally so mold and bacteria would not form. Something like Ortho's 3-in-1 is excellent, or you can use sulfur powder. Peroxide is as good as using alcohol but in both cases it won't keep mold, mildew or fungus off like sulfur. Lower humidity would be ideal but also dries out your plant's water reserves internally.

    eeyore94sooregon thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 9 years ago

    first picture, the white is mold, second picture to the right of the bare spot, greenish mold. Not a whole lot. I have treated it with alcohol, last week. This is week 2 when I should be re potting. I will try the hydrogen peroxide then dry and add the glue to seal. Once dry I will trim and dust with rooted hormone. Any additional thoughts? Please share


  • 9 years ago

    freshly cleaned

  • 9 years ago

    well in drying it, I could feel the tissue was really soft, it was coming off with the napkin. So I used a little pressure to remove the old soft tissue (decay?). And that is what is left. So to seal it now?

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    You have to allow the newly exposed tissue to dry. Don't put anymore cinnamon in there if it's causing mold. Just let it dry another week.

    I don't think this one is a candidate for centipede roots. Don't lance the edges ... Just lightly dust the lower half with rooting hormone before repotting. At this point, I'm not sure about sealing with waterproof wood glue because of the issue with mold.

    I hope it survives. It is incredibly dehydrated right now. Let's see what others advise.

    Maria Elena

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  • 9 years ago

    Alma, Maria Elena,

    Cinnamon is a good anti fungal powder, but I have found that Sulfur dust is better for below soil issues and treatment. This is my experience.

    This plants outer layer is withering and becoming desicated. This tissue will not put out new roots, as it is dead. Will only produce roots with good tissue.

    I have tried cutting the caudex right off flat, but I do not feel confident with this practice. I have tried it at the wrong time of year (going into the Fall).

    I believe that cutting off the whole base (flat) and eliminating any concave area beneath is what is needed and then trying to get it to root from edges. Not sure of what is left of this plant from photo's.

    Maria Elena has done cuttings before and I think she would have better advice of just how to prepare this plant to try rooting this way. Pagan has had good trials with this as well.

    Alma, I wish you all the best with this plant and your resilience is definitely a sign of your passion for these Adeniums.

    Rick

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  • 9 years ago

    this is what is left!

  • 9 years ago

    It is a very nice plant, Alma.

    Does the whole underneath go inside this plant you have shown upside down?

    If it does, best to salvage what you can and slice off bottom for a flat bottom. I will see if I can find the instructions that Dino sent me on rooting a cut plant.

    Rick

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  • 9 years ago

    Sorry Rick, I guess I don't understand the question.

    yes it's upside down. The gutting I did is pretty deep in. Don't know if that helps

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    Alma,

    The rim of the dissected area looks pretty thin (dessicated) and broken down. Also, there being such a deep crater seems to not have allowed the cut area to dry properly. I think most of us were unable to tell how thin the remaining walls really are.

    Here's the issue. You need to create a flat enough surface with enough good tissue for roots to grow. I believe slicing it evenly across the bottom will give you the best chance to save this beauty. You'd have to cut at least about where you have your fingers in the last photo, just above.

    Here's a graphic that may help. You will not need to use a disk ... Follow the number sequence:

    Please ask away if you have any questions.

    Maria Elena

    eeyore94sooregon thanked Maria Elena (Caribbean - USDA Zone 13a)
  • 9 years ago

    I will do this tomorrow. How long to dry ? Or are all these steps being done back to back.

  • 9 years ago

    Let's see what it looks like once the desiccated part is removed. I'd say allow to dry an additional week. The surface should be smooth and clean when ready. Please do not use cinnamon again if it's molding.

    Maria Elena

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks for posting this Photo diagram, Maria Elena.

    Alma, in the last photo, you will notice the the "cut" edge at the bottom is cut on an angle. This is important, as it gives more area of the cambium layer to produce new roots. It is only a very thin layer sliced off, not too much.

    The rooting hormone is definitely a good thing and once done keep it warm and you can use bottom heat, but not too hot.

    Maria Elena has good trials with rooting cuttings.

    Rick

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    Okay, I will attempt this around 11ish. I will post pictures before doing too much. I will stop and buy sulfur dust, for the cinnamon never kept the mold away. I think the turmeric fought it better though. Hopefully I can find that dust.

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    hope this is it. All they had.

  • 9 years ago

    this is what we have left, dust with sulfur or growing hormones?

  • 9 years ago

    I'd suggest the sulfur first. Let it dry a bit. Probably wise to recut it as it was looking very wrinkly around the scooped out area that It may have been left too thin and became dehydrated. You should go look up Jericson's posts about cutting his plants and re-rooting them as he has great advice.

    eeyore94sooregon thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 9 years ago

    this is it today!

  • 9 years ago

    Nice! It looks like it's doing well, and starting to form a callus.

  • 9 years ago

    Hopefully with out mold.

  • 9 years ago

    so here it is today. Kinda hard to see if theres any mold. Buts so dehydrated, poor thing. Ready to plant. Do I cut away at the edges and dip in growth hormones? I

  • 9 years ago

    No, Alma, do not cut. Just wet the bottom & rim and sprinkle with rooting hormone. Place atop dry substrate with stones around it to stabilize the plant. It's important that it doesn't move around.

    Mist the upper portion and the soil very lightly. Place in an area with filtered sun, where it can remain undisturbed approx 2 months. Mist lightly every two weeks.

    When you start to see new growth, begin watering very lightly around the rim, increasing water slowly to correspond with new growth. Also, begin increasing its light slowly. Once you are watering regularly, begin acclimating it to full sun.

    I sincerely hope this special plant makes it. Please keep us posted at the 1, 2 & 3-month intervals. I'm rooting for you.

    Maria Elena

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  • 9 years ago

    well here it is. Hope it pulls through

  • 9 years ago

    Secure it firmly with strips of cord, plastic twine or something to the pot itself in each of the four directions. It will be important that it doesn't wiggle and get jostled about. If you Google adenium bonsai in training you will very often see them stabilized this way until the roots are going well to hold the plant in place. Otherwise you may break the very fine new roots if you have to move the pot, or the entire plant may fall out!

    eeyore94sooregon thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 9 years ago

    Thank you. I will definitely have to figure out something. Already fell over on me.

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    If that's the case, definitely do as Patty recommended. An easy solution is to use two 1" wide strips cut the long way from the leg of women's hose. The sheer stretch fabric will not cut into the plant. I use it all the time to tie off staked plants. If you have some, place styrofoam at each pressure point where the ties come in contact with the plant.

    Just tying it to the pot (under & around) may cause the ties to slip. I recommend tying something around the rim of the pot, then looping your ties through that.

    Maria Elena

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  • 9 years ago

    Hi Alma.

    1. I'm learning from this, too. After hanging for nearly 6 months I finally potted up the amputee. Watered once and put in a bright window with indirect sunlight. I've been looking for any signs of waking up but the stem and caudex seemed to shrivel further so I thought I'd better take it out of the mix and have a peek. I'm glad I did because it had started to mold. I immediately returned to this post to look up all the advice you had been given. I trimmed off the mold. Thankfully, it was just beginning along an edge so there wasn't much. After trimming I dusted with some garden sulfur and it is once again drying. I guess I'll leave it for a couple of days and try again. Not sure what I did wrong though. It was in gritty mix and I just watered it the one time. Maybe too much water? Water less? Not at all? Barely spritz with a spray bottle instead?

    Thanks, Tyler

  • 9 years ago

    Hi, Tyler!

    Nice to see you again. I hope all is well.

    I have to ask, why 6 months? 1-2 months is enough torture. Please show us pictures of your plant, overall and the cut surface.

    Succulents without roots have no means by which to uptake water. Watering them is a recipe for rot. Just place on dry soil. Misting is very minimal and only to provide humidity to the top portion.

    Maria Elena



  • 9 years ago

    Tyler, did you treated the soil mix with anti fungus too. I have read somewhere on the net. After they cut the tap roots for roots training purposes, they will water the mix and the plant with anti fungus. They are not shy about the first watering. They also covered the soil with cardboard to encourage roots grow or trap the humidity.

  • 9 years ago

    Shang, who are "they?" Can you provide a link? When you refer to cutting the "tap root" were small feeder roots present above the cut?

    Maria Elena


  • 9 years ago

    Hi Maria Elena. On the advice of Pagan, I waited until it was warmer since I could not provide summer-like conditions. It finally started being warmer here consistently in the beginning of April. My amputee did have some roots and no where near as severe as Alma's plant. The roots stayed white and fairly firm the entire time it was hanging. I will take pictures when I get home. Thanks for the tips on misting.

    Shang, no I didn't treat the growing medium with fungicide. Didn't know to do that. I only have the powdered kind. Will that work or do I need to get liquid?

    Thanks,

    Tyler

  • 9 years ago

    Tyler,

    Please reach out to Pagan for next steps. I'm sure she is well experienced in plants that hqve undergone such long dormancy. She will be able to better advise you on the specifics of your plant's needs right now

    Maria Elena

  • 9 years ago

    Tyler, same here, gritty mix and definitely not alot of water. Not sure what I have done. If I loose this one, it will be 3 for this winter! I've used 100% cinnamon on both, they molded badly, the huge jade plant I had, used cinnamon and it didn't stop the mold. Used turmeric on this one and very little mold. The sulfur may have done the trick. Kinda hard to see, but nothing stood out. I just feel so bad. All its green is gone and it's so dehydrated. Hope yours does better!

    Alma

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Alma, unfortunately my plant took turn for the worst I dont think it will come back, I will just let it dry and see if decides to live. Lucky I took 5 cuttings from it whitch still seem green. Here the plant that gradually declined due to root rot and Pill bugs.

    The plant before

    The problem started

    Pill bugs inside

    Took 4 cuttings

    And original plant today, not much left

    Not holding breath

  • 9 years ago

    Aww, that is so sad! So sorry Agartta! Hopefully! I'm not too optimistic about mine either! Keep me posted.

  • 9 years ago

    Good luck with yours Alma. Have you thought about taking some cuttings? Mine seem to be happy so far and still looking green. Sometimes I think I killed by butcheringit. If I left it alone would still be flowering despite the pill bugs.

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  • 9 years ago

    Maria, I got the information from Siam Adenium regarding to water the plant with fungicide. It make sense to me since fungus spores are in the soil and ready to attack the dead scarring tissues. The cardboard method I saw it on YouTube.

    Tyler, as long as it fungicide, I dont think it make much difference what form it is in. I will upload it if I can find that article again.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, Shang ... I would love to see that. I suspect this may apply exclusively to very hot regions, where the soil will dry very quickly. This wouldn't work even in my very humid region. In cooler regions, the succulent caudex would just rot.

  • 9 years ago

    Marie, I was able to find the exact article, but this is one of his articles that mentioned to water the plant with fungicide chemical (step 6)

    Below is a picture in a YouTube clip covered his Adenium after planting

  • 9 years ago

    GONE! Put in the trash yesterday. All the arms collapsed. The Center Was mush. Very sad. Had nothing like it. :(

  • 9 years ago

    Alma, sorry to hear about your plant. My plant is gone as well,went mushy, nothing left of it. Lucky I took some cuttings from it, I had to perform 2nd surgery on them as they didn't root the first time continuing to get mushy. I'm waiting for the cuttings to dry more before I plant them again.

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  • 9 years ago

    So sorry. I didn't get any cuttings.

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    :-(

    eeyore94sooregon thanked Maria Elena (Caribbean - USDA Zone 13a)
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    Aww, how cute! Thank you!

  • 9 years ago

    Alma,

    What was the name of this one? Maybe we can find and share seeds. I'll be happy to look for you. I would love one of those, myself. Was it a Dino King?

    Maria Elena

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    when it was healthy and pretty, on the left with its name