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Hardy pure Japanese plums for cold climates

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago

Hello and good morning happy spring and Easter to all of you :)

I would like to start a thread and gain the input of some of the experts and some of our USA friends just south of us in northern areas that have any experiences or can help us list any pure bred Japanese plums.

A quick overview of what we in this hobby and trade refer to as "Japanese plum" is infact a Chinese plum . There are two main differences between the cultivars listed as pure Japanese or Chinese plums those that are mostly not very hardy comparable to a peach or nectarines hardiness which are commonly grown in areas such as California Oregan Washington British Columbia in areas zone 6 and above. Ex... shiro or Santa Rosa

Than there is the second group of these from northern areas of China/Manchuria that have been rarely bred for cultivation that are in fact hardy to zones 2 through zone 4 that I would like to discuss and gain knowledge on. ex... fofonoff ,brookgold,ptitsen5

could you guys please help list possibly with photos of the fruit and tree if possible with name and brief discription. I have a gained intrerest in this group of plums as from my experience look a lot nicer and taste a lot nicer than hybrid plums. Lots of the hybrid plums I've seen have ugly shape sour thick skin with mushy grainy texture that sometimes grosses me out . There are some really easy ways to distinguish try looking at the dormant buds. Japanese plums are usually round small buds in clusters . Hybrid plums have pointed cone shaped buds . The leafs on my Japanese plums also tend to stay a lot smaller than hybrids and different shapes .

Comments (11)

  • 9 years ago

    I'm no expert, but remember growing up with many plum trees on our acreage in Zone 3. They were delicious and sweet, smaller in size, red skinned, and about 1-1.5" in diameter. Some years we had lots of fruit, while others not so much. I too would love to see photos and hear about personal experiences, they are inspiring. It is impressive growing fruit in colder climates.

  • 9 years ago
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    I planted a Brookgold plum last year (Spring 2016) that I bought from Calgary's Sunnyside Garden. I didn't see this forum, especially 'Let's talk about plum' post, after I bought the Brookgold. I read that people are having a tough time with brookgold setting fruits. I will see what happen these few years. I planted a Nanking Cherry 6 feet away for pollination.

  • 9 years ago
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    Here is a photo of my ptitsen 5 pure Japanese plums beside two small yellow Japanese plums from okanagan and some small Manchuria apricots.As you can see these ptitsen 5 plums are tiny like the size of cherries

    The ptitsen 5 plums were the first plums ready in my orchard they started to drop off the tree end of July early August. Need to let them ripen a bit on the counter before eating . This tree was very receptive to its neighbor 4feet away they both produced a lot of plums and both are pure Japanese plums.

  • 9 years ago

    Here is a photo of my red Japanese plum . They hang on the tree till mid August as a golden plum than within the last week before they fall off the tree they turn red. I would love help to id this plum it definitely is not a hybrid plum . I'm thinking it maybe one of the red plums from the ptitsen series these plums are excellent eating fresh and are medium size. They smell amazing flesh is juicy and not grainy or mushy skin is thin and not sour . This plum is excellent for eating would not do good for much else .
    Here is a photo of them about a week before ripening and turning fully red.

  • 9 years ago

    Here is my pure bred Japanese plum collection :)

    now id love to see and hear everybody else's.

  • 9 years ago

    Paying attention to the blooming sequence can reveal an awful lot concerning if your red plum is Japanese (ie. prunus salicina) (old books, wild p. trifolia). If the plum likes to bloom a little later than ptitsen then you should suspect some ingression of the north american types. More information regarding prunus trifolia are through U of Sask, from Art
    Coutts of Unity Saskatchewan , or those involved in the importation of this culture. The Coutts collection seem to scatter fruit on the ground the moment they are ripe.

  • 9 years ago

    I can see what your getting at but it's the green plum that falls all over the ground not the red. This green plum is ptitsen 5 from bylands. The other red was brookgold from bylands but they have seemingly used the wrong wood to propagate or nobody on this forum has ever fully ripened brookgold till its starting to turn red.

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    Pay attention in the flowering..if the red one flowers later then Ptitsin then it has more of the hybrid strain...think thats what alcan means. Normally Ptitsin flower very early...love the large fragrant flowers on the Ptisin!

    The red one could be the Ptitsin #10...I grafted some, no fruit yet but I know they're on the red side. Looks like yours is the same as this Ptitsin shown here.

    Check this out...

    Ptitsin

    Brook gold stays gold when ripe

  • 9 years ago

    I had grown the Ptitsin #5 for years but grafted over most of the tree... I used to say the Ptitsin #5 is the pits because I simply didn't know it's full potential for many years...plums would fall off and not quiet ripe....it took a long time to find out how to go about...pick most plums when they start to drop, take to the house and in 3 or 4 day's they would be really nice to eat, still firm flesh, free stone...not watery/soggy like you get in a day or two on most other hybrid plums like Pembina and Supreme. Supposedly these Salicina's are good pollinators for other hybrid plums.


  • 9 years ago
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    I pay extremely close attention to these trees. Enough to notice the difference between Japanese and hybrid plum buds leafs and fruit from its visual features and fruit texture

    The ptitsen bloomed at the exact same time as this plum did maybe a few days after but very similar bloom time hence the heavy loads of fruit the two produced as they are only 4ft away from each other. I assume it's a ptitsen 9 as it came from bylands and summer land budwood orchard near by sells ptitsen 9 I'm certain bylands buys bud wood from them

    i do agree with you Konrad they look very similar to the ptitsen 10.

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