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My cuttings... so disappointed...

9 years ago

Well, I'm not having that great of luck with doing cuttings. I thought they were doing better than they actually are. Bummer....

I took several cuttings of my old SPICE TWICE plant and a "Smooth" rose that I'm not sure the exact name of, that I had given my mom yrs ago. Took those cuttings before we sold her house in the fall. I had also gotten a couple of the ST cuttings before Mom passed last summer and thought they had already rooted. But one just turned brown and the other is turning yellow now. I think I got maybe 2-3 out of the 8-10 I tried rooting in the fall that appear to "maybe" have made it. The "Smooth" rose... aaahh... maybe one or two cuttings look like they might've taken. And the SUMMER SONG cuttings I did around the same time... looks like I'll be lucky if 2 out of the 10 or so I potted up have rooted. Crap.

Then I also was trying some florist roses again, and using that Clonex rooting gel that's supposed to give better odds at rooting. Well, that remains to be seen. I used it on some of my very-hard-to-replace rose cuttings, and almost all have failed. I think they were maybe too small of cuttings tho. Some of the florist roses didn't make it, but some still are hanging on.

I've been putting them in those big Hefty 2.5gal zip-lock baggies, and I thought they were working, but apparently not as well as I had hoped. I used to just stick a bunch in gallon pots and put a 2litre bottle cut off at the bottom over top of them. I often didn't even use any rooting hormone at all, and I had a much higher rate of success. I went to the big baggies so I could put taller cuttings in there. I dunno... I'm just so disappointed that it's not working that well.

One good thing tho... I think it's safe to say that I did manage to get ONE cutting out of 10, plus 2 attempts at budding (that failed) of the florist rose GELATO. That really makes me happy! But why did one of those make it, and others do not??? I did not use the Clonex on those cuttings tho. That was back in Dec, before Xmas, that I did those.

Here's what it looks like.... you can just see the red new growth emerging. Took this one 2 days ago, and today there is another nice little red leaf section emerging down towards the lower left area. So... I'm pretty sure this one has made it!!

I still have a bunch of other cuttings that I'm watching, but one by one they are turning brown or black. It's really very frustrating. One florist rose that sort of surprises me tho is CHERRY BRANDY. I took 12 cuttings in January, and all of them look good, except one batch in one of the baggies got a little dried out, but they still are green!! So, hopefully I'll have a couple of those make it in the end.

I just wish I could figure out the formula to getting them ALL to root. I guess that's asking too much...

Comments (21)

  • 9 years ago

    I'm so sorry!~ Is there anyway to get more cuttings?

  • 9 years ago

    I realize that we are in two very different climates, but I'll share with you what works really well for me for rooting. I use clear plastic drinking cups, drill holes in the bottom and fill them with straight perlite and water well. I take my cutting and dip them in Dip N Grow (yeah, it's kind of pricey) for maybe 5 seconds or so. I use a pencil to push a hole into the perlite so the cutting will fit in. Then I tamp down the perlite until it is tight against the cutting. I then put the cuttings under my large patio table. The get some light, but not a lot of direct light. I mist them when the perlite starts drying out and just wait. I've had some start rooting in a week and others have taken about a month. I keep them in the cups and start moving them into more sun when they have a lot of roots winding around the cup. I then transplant them into a small pot, but transfer the majority of the perlite into the pot as well and just fill in around the perlite with potting soil. I think it may be difficult for the roots to go from very airy perlite to soggy potting soil, which is why I transfer the perlite with them, the roots eventually make their way out of the perlite and into the soil. I probably have about 90% success. My biggest issue is getting them to survive winter.

  • 9 years ago

    Alana I can get cuttings of most of the roses, except the ones from Mom's house. But I think I have at least one of each that made it. The others of my own roses I can keep trying. And the florist roses, I can always get again too.

    Hcarnevale, thanks for explaining your technique for rooting. I have used Dip 'n' Grow many times in the past. Doesn't work very well for me. I might have to try the perlite alone tho. I've just always used regular old potting soil... not one like Miracle-Gro tho with fertilizer, just a basic potting mix I get from our Ace Hardware store. I put the pots inside those Hefty 2.5gal plastic zip-lock bags. I'll just have to keep trying different methods.

  • 9 years ago

    Hey, that's a pretty good rate. I've only had one rose propagate, and I had 4 of those. I think it does depend on the rose or the condition of the cutting.


    On a lighter note, I have a fortuniana plant. I want to bud some of my rose on fortuniana. So I cut one of the branches and just stuck the cuttings into a pot and left it by the rose. That was a few weeks ago and most are still alive. Go figure.

  • 9 years ago

    I haven't tried rooting any florists roses so I can't say how my method would do on them. Also, just to clarify, I do not cover mine with anything (soda bottle, plastic baggie, etc....) I just make sure the perlite doesn't dry out by misting it and the cutting.

  • 9 years ago
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    Buford I have found out that anything that you don't care about roots and you can want something else to root soo bad and it fails, atleast that how it happens for me :)

  • 9 years ago

    Beth I wonder if all the moisture in the air from our crazy weather in CA affected your cuttings and made them rot. Try again now that it's drying out and I bet you have good success!

  • 9 years ago

    Beth, I have never had any luck enclosing the cuttings in a bag or bottle to raise the humidity. They rotted for me when I did that. I don't know if your climate is much dryer than mine or not. I just use gallon or larger pots of play sand. I take the cuttings just after the stems bloom. Remove all but top few leaves or cut in half any very large leaves. Take a knife and scrape lightly through the green bark layer for about 1/2 " to 1" on two sides of the base of the cutting. Usually I dip it in Rootone or the root powder you can get at Walmart. Schultz's maybe. Tap off excess. Make a hole in the damp sand for each cutting. Stick cutting in and firm sand around it. Crowd cuttings of same variety in the pot. I read somewhere they seem to give each other the message to root when crowded in a pot. Usually I water them in . That might wash off the rooting powder, but anyway it works. I find you don't really have to have rooting hormone but it might speed things up. Put pot of cuttings in dappled light. Too much light fries them, too little rots them. Keep moist, not soggy. I don't mist them or do anything to raise humidity except if it's really hot I might spray some water on the ground around where the pots are . Not often! Don't tug on cuttings to check on roots for maybe a month. As soon as they root I pot them up. When I first tried to root roses I had no success. Seems like if you persist, then you will have your method and it'll be pretty reliable. At first it can take some repeat attempts. I know you have had some luck, but sounds to me like it could be too much humidity.

  • 9 years ago

    Oh yeah, I also stick each cutting for about 1/2 of it's length into the sand. I suppose that raises humidity around the stems but sand doesn't stay as wet.

  • 9 years ago

    Also, most potting soil is not sterile. This adds to the rotting factor....

  • 9 years ago

    I think cuttings rot because they are dying not the other way around. If cuttings dry out even just for a little while they rot, if they overheat they rot.

    I'm trialing some cuttings that were started in pots that I removed rotted dead cuttings against cuttings in the same size pots with fresh soil.


  • 9 years ago

    Oh, I wish I would have read this two weeks ago. Thanks, Beth, for bringing this up. I'm trying to root what I believe to be x centifolia from an old farmhouse in Idaho. My wife brought home the cuttings and everything I had read until now encouraged to cover and so I have them in large Ziplock bags but I'm getting white mold on them now - one cutting not looking good but the other two look fine. I was considering misting with GreenCure fungicide. Any suggestions?

  • 9 years ago

    I never had any problem using potting soil yrs ago when I first started trying to root. Had almost 100% success. Maybe it's just the climate up here is different. It was hotter and dryer at our old place. I might try the sand and no covering idea. Thanks Erasmus. I will keep trying tho. I just lost a couple more roses I can never replace.... Bummer... I did manage to get one of the florist rose GELATO to root, which is really exciting. And it appears that 3 CHERRY BRANDY cuttings rooted. All but one of the SUMMER SONGs died. And I'm so afraid I will end up with none of the SPICE TWICE that I took from my mom's house before we sold it. Only one remains and it is not looking good. That really upsets me.

  • 9 years ago

    Dave I have had the best luck putting them in bright shade and covering with a large opaque plastic tote - I think it's 24"? X 18"? Anyway you get the idea - big enough to keep the wind off them, but not so small to trap humidity. I feel like the bags hold too much humidity. I use cups with drainage holes placed directly on the ground, and coir for the medium. I've seen other people have success using all or mostly perlite. The spot I use is under a big limbed up spruce tree, so they are sitting on a bed of old needles - not sure if that matters or not :). You are probably in a somewhat similar environment to mine, but you may have more heat/ humidity than I do. I have used the rooting hormone too. Good luck! It's fun to experiment, but frustrating when one that you really want to root croaks on you!

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, Dingo! I'll try that - There is an area in my yard with bright shade where I think that'd work. Definitely a new venture but it'll be fun to figure it out.

    Best of luck, Beth, with all of those!

  • 9 years ago

    There are videos on utube of how to root rose cuttings. One guy uses a plastic tub covers it with seran wrap but leaves a corner of it open. Says they only need something to hold in a little humidity. He mists them with water too.

    Im trying to root a minniflora i have. I put a bag over it but left a small hole in it for some air. Its on my patio table in mostly shade. Will see what happens.

  • 9 years ago

    Well, here's the one and only SUMMER SONG that made it:


    Just bloomed yesterday!!


  • 9 years ago

    I only have any luck when I use pine bark fines (sold as soil conditioner at Walmart). I just stick the cuttings into the bark, wet them with the hose, and put them in dappled light along my fence. I may lose some leaves and some wilt for a day or so, but then they take off. I have to add that most of what I root are roses that tend to root easy. lol The cuttings in this picture are already potted up into individual pots.

  • 9 years ago

    I did put the long planter on bricks because the only drain holes were on the bottom. Didn't want the leaves/ground to block them. The other pots have holes on the bottom sides. I did loose some a few years ago when I started. The bark would look dry on the top and I would over water. Now, I water every couple of days with the hose and let it run out. South Ga is an oven this time of the year and dappled light is a must!

  • 9 years ago

    They like it 80º and a little humidity to root i guess. Its been two weeks mine still has green leaves. Its in its minni green house (bag over it) i left a very small hole in bag. I read where they only need a little humidity. The soil still looks damp. So guess its doing its job. Weather has been cooler but is warming up again now.