That is gorgeous!!! And in my favorite color! How long have you had it?

Perfect picture! So pretty!

This is why we really need to revive the cutting exchange forums. If a rose is no longer readily available we should really share cuttings so that it does not go extinct! (As long as it does not infringe on anyone's patent rights, etc.). I would really love some cuttings of this rose and would be willing to pay shipping and even send you come cuttings in exchange.

This rose is absolutely stunning in its beauty. I assume it's an Austin and another example that company's ridiculous marketing strategies. SoFL's cutting exchange idea is great, I think. Diane

So pretty, do you know where to get that rose?

So soft & elegantly pretty!

I had Troilus, and I agree, the blooms are gorgeous and the fragrance strong, though maybe not to everyone's taste. It was my favourite Austin of the ones I tried. All are gone, due to BS.

Sue belle, I keep coming back to look at this pic again and again. I need this rose! Do you have any idea where to find it?

Jackie, I have had this rose for about 12 years. I have read somewhere that it was available in Australia. You could check with Hortico in Canada, but I doubt they would have it.

nanadoll, I agree with you about the marketing of the Austin roses. It really ticks me off because I like the older Austins much better than the newer ones. Chaucer is my favorite and it is not readily available either.

So Fl Rose, It is my understanding that he does not even allow cuttings to be propagated. I don't know all of the legal details, but it is supposedly something about keeping the trademark alive and that gives them some sort of control. As I said, I really don't know if that is correct, but that is what I have heard. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can clear that up.

Thanks to all for your generous compliments.

Suebelle

If the patent has expired, I think cuttings can be taken and propagated, but the trademarked name cannot be used when selling the rose, just the name used on the patent, hence those weird "aus----" names. Can someone make a more detailed explanation? Diane

Recently I brought this rose, will receive it in the end of June. Yes, they are still available in Australia.

Suebelle, can you tell me if this rose can handle the heat in summer? As in Melbourne, some of the days are quite hot in summer. And how long does it last on bush?

Interesting, the colour on the website is light lemon yellow, but Suebelle's one is light apricot. Its color is changeable ?

Daisy

By the way, I totally support the exchange rose cutting idea! And Suebelle your bouquet is so beautiful, I am glad that i order it.

I just saw on Facebook that Troilus is available in New Zealand at a place called Tasman Bay roses. I am glad that someone is still carrying this rose, but I really don't understand why they can sell Troilus, and many others that we cannot get here in the U.S.

They are offering Chaucer (my favorite), Mary Webb, Pretty Jessica, Belle Story, and some that I have never heard of.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Here are my pictures of some of my favorites that are not readily available in the U.S.

Mary Webb

Belle Story

Chaucer

Pretty Jessica

daisy, Troilus does fine in our New Orleans heat, which most days of summer are in the 90's. The flowers will be smaller as most others will too in the summer. There have been times in the heat that the color may be a little lighter. You will love this rose if you like fragrance.

Suebelle

Oh I do like fragrance! That's really a plus for a rose. It's one of the reason I like to bring them indoor. Thanks for the info.

The roses you mentioned above, I could also see they are available here in the market.

Its always seemed weird to me- Just look at the Australian website. Its pretty bare bones, ( oo they seem to have updated it in the last couple of months , it is bareroot season, I wonder if that's why) as you can see, we only get 1 or 2 new releases each year. No Austin roses can be purchased direct, you get given a list of suppliers, which includes "other good garden centres and supermarkets." and seems to include some roses that have been withdrawn from sale in other countries.

Their list of roses isn't definitive either- no mention of a lot of the oldies - Troilus, or The Dove, or Redcoat, or Nefertiti, or The Squire, or The Reeve, Juliet or Chaucer...or even Wife of Bath, all of which I have either seen for sale here or purchased myself under their own names... but they still have others such as The Prince.

Usually bareroot rose sellers have what seems to be a two tier system- the PBR roses are full price,($ 19-21 but you can get the older ones for about $5-7 dollars less.

I've seen the more obscure/ old ones like Graham Thomas/Charles Austin/The Dove as cheap $ 9.99 bodybags at hardware stores. That's how I bought Claire rose, Lilac rose, Cymbeline and Tamora. (All failures here except for Cymbeline, which is surprisingly pretty good and one of the better Austins for me).

nanadollZ7 SWIdaho is totally correct about the patent and trademark issues. I looked Troilus up, and it doesn't appear to have ever been under patent. Even if it had, it would have expired by now. Check out this website to look up patents:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?p=1&edit_alert=&srch=xprtsrch&query_txt=David+Austin+Roses&uspat=on&date_range=all&stemming=on&sort=relevance&search=Search

You need to use the Registration Name when looking roses up. In this case, Troilus' name is AUSoil.

So that brings us to the issue of trading.....Suebelle would you be willing to trade cuttings of Troilus? :)

Tony

Thanks, Tony, your statement clarifies what I have been reading. Another thing is if sellers of his roses want to sell the patented roses, they cannot sell the older "discontinued" roses. They may even have to sign some kind of agreement to this effect. Our local nursery, Edwards, that is a big a seller of patented Austins, sells no discontinued Austins, or those sold only under the patent Registration Name. It's sort of like blackmail by Austin for max profits.

Suebelle, your photos of the older Austins are among the most exquisite I've ever seen. How I would love to grow a few of them. Diane

Suebelle - your Troilus is insanely gorgeous!!! And the vase you used really complements the beauty of the roses!! Wow!! Plus your Belle Story and Chaucer are fabulously gorgeous!!! I just can't believe the beauty I'm seeing!!

Carol

Oh my goodness, Romogen!!! This rose is awesome - and I've never heard of it before. Beautiful!!

Carol

Wow, romogen, your troilus is awesome!! Really looks like the website one!

Suebelle and romogen, all of your troilus photos look beautiful, I think I am gonna to love this rose! Thanks for your photos.

How come suebelle's rose look more peach color? Does zone make the difference in color?

aeris15 - I think the temperature at the time of bloom can make the difference. My Abraham Darby looks light pink in some weather or dark peach in other weather (I can't remember which is which, though).

Oh okay. Thanks for the information

I'd love cuttings too and would pay shipping or trade..

Oh my goodness! I need this rose in my life! Grace Rose Farm is going to be partnering with Restoration Roses to have mail-ordered offerings of old and difficult roses grafted to multiflora, and they are asking for suggestions from customers of what the would like to see them carry. I’m emailing them today to suggest Troilus!!

Edit: difficult to FIND roses. My auto-correct is not always my friend. Sorry about that.

Great idea, Rachel! I was just drooling over Troilus (and the others!), on this post last night. I don’t know why I didn’t think of suggesting these to Susan at RR. I have a grafted rose coming from Grace Rose Farms in January. I can’t wait! Lisa

The problem with Grace Rose Farm grafting to multiflora is that root stock isn't reliable everywhere. She said they have better luck with multiflora - but they are in hot and sunny So. Calif. with an almost year round growing season. I ordered some for next year also, but plan to cancel my order since learning that multiflora will produce a wimpy little root system in my climate and die after a few years - or so I've been told. Anyone in a cold zone grow roses on multiflora? I'd like to hear how they do, especially if they're more than a few years old.

For those of us who may never have Troilus, Suebelle's looks much like Princess Charlene de Monaco to my eye and Romogen's last two photos of Troilus look like Mary Magdalene to me. Those might be good substitutes if Troilus turns out to be elusive.

I wish someone would produce these beautiful, and slowly becoming rare, roses on their own roots.

I thought the northern nurseries used multiflora instead of the Dr. Isn't that what Palatine uses? I could be confused as I ignore those nurseries since reading that multiflora does best in more acid soil and here it's very basic. However, since finding multiflora (either species or variety) growing in my yard, I'm not sure how true that is. It's definitely able to make it to -10F. at the least. Hopefully, someone with real experience will pipe in. : ))

Yes, all Palatine roses are grafted on multiflora rootstock. I grow Palatine roses in z6a and z5b, they are doing fine.

Vapor and summers, you are so right. I couldn't find my original info about multiflora, but with a little searching, found that it's not the cold temps that is the problem with multiflora, it's alkaline soil. Also found that it's a little more susceptible to viruses than Huey or Fort, but is a good root stock for cold climates, especially with acidic soil.

Since I use hardly any of my alkaline soil in planting holes, that should not be a factor. I don't have to cancel my order to Grace Rose Farm. Yea! I think she'll have some roses we've all been wishing for.

I'm STILL going to ask if she will consider producing roses on their own roots. I think that is more expensive for her to do, but I'd gladly pay extra.

I am usually not a big fan of peach roses, but I LOVE this rose! The bouquet, vase, and tablecloth make a stunning combo! BTW, what do you call the shape of this rose? Thanks!

Perhaps she can just sell them as Bands instead of waiting for them to become gallon plants. However it sounds like she has a business plan in order. Flowers, I'm always glad to enable! :-)

I may be wrong on this but I don't believe that Austin can control who sells Austin roses. What they do control is who may propagate Patented Austin roses.

Trademarks are more tricky. One may not trademark a varietal name. If a trademarked name becomes a "generic descrtiptor" of a certain rose then it is not a trademark that can be legally enforced.

I for one, will continue to use the trademark name for the roses that I propagate but I will not propagated patented roses.

Valrose is correct. Once the patent is gone, they cannot control who propagates it, however they can control who uses the name if the name is trademarked. They also cannot control the sending of cuttings.
However, they can (and often do) control nuseries by not allowing them to propagate and sell their new roses. So by doing so, nurseries wont go against them and sell their older stuff. Unless of course they don't care and only sell their older roses, which many do. Either way, it is safe to exchange cuttings as and even sell rooted cuttings as long as you dont use the NAME Trouilus to do so. A nursery would just have to say, old fashioned white rose or something like that. However they can use the registration name AUSoil to identify the rose.

More info on trademark of plant names https://www.plantdelights.com/blogs/articles/name-that-plant

Rose Petals will sell off patent DA's under their registration name, not their trademarked name. They sell roses that do well in the south so if this one would be healthy they might be interested in some cuttings too.

Rose Petals lists both the off patent DA's registration name as well as their trademarked name. see Abraham Darby, Rose Petals Nursery. I don't know if the owners of Rose Petals feel this way, but many in the nursery industry feel as I do. One should not trademark the names of off-patent plant. The reason is clear, it encourages people to make up their own names for plants causing the id of a plant to become a confused mess.

The problem that Nursery companies would have in court with their trademarked rose names is they have become the common for the specific variety of plant. This voids the trademark.

The name Troilus was never registered as a trademark, so even those that are exercising an abundance of caution should feel free to use that name.

Most nurseries that sell Austin roses, do not propagate roses, this why I have trouble believing that Austin exercises any control over propagation of off-patent roses. (I could be wrong here, just be cause something doesn't make sense to me doesn't mean it isn't true). I think a more likely explanation is that if Austin does not support a rose with their advertising campaign, then it is less likely to sell, so nurseries are less likely to stock it.

I think Valrose is right.

Beautiful rose! I would ask for a trade, but I have nothing to trade it with. :( I would hazard paying for postage but.... [shrug]

Anyone with this rose open to trade? here’s my trade list:

Scentuous

Evelyn

Abraham Darby

Heirloom

Bliss Perfuma

Francis Meilland

Geoff Hamilton

The alnwick

Eden climber

Zephirine drouhin

Strawberry hill

Flamenco Rosita

Gold Medal

Don Juan

Love

Double delight

Medallion

Cathedral Bells

Dark Desire

Arborist Florentino

Vuvuzela

True Perfume

Midnight in Paris

White Lies

PCDM

Earth Angel

Sweet Mademoiselle

Olivia Rose Austin

Life of the Party

True Endearment

Silk Garment