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Rachel - Squat Pot Questions

Hi Rachel,

Hope your plants are all doing well as you head into cooler weather. I would love to know more about your squat pots. In your "Please say Hi" thread, you talked about them. You wrote:

As soon as the plants are big enough (anywhere from 6 mths to a year
old) we repot them into a small but wide/shallow pot, we call them squat
pots. (Please see photo below - they are the black pots). We let them
grow in this size until they have filled the pot (widthwise & depth )
& then repot into the next size squat pot, and so on, until finally
moving them into the terracotta plastic bowls. Because we do this from
the beginning, our plants get used to growing widthways more than depth....We have tried deeper pots many times & have found that this results in a taller rather then wider base/root system.

I saw your squat pot photos (very helpful!) and also your note that they are usually found in orchid nurseries. When you have time, would you mind measuring them and posting the dimensions (diameter and depth), please? Thanks!

Also, when you said, "We let them
grow in this size until they have filled the pot (widthwise & depth )
", does that mean that even when roots are coming out of the bottom of the pot, you continue to grow them in the squat pot until they fill the width, too? In that case, would you do any root trimming, or just leave them alone until the pot is completely filled? I'm very interested in this technique.

Thanks so much!

Carol in Jacksonville, Florida

Comments (22)

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Carol, It looks like those "squat pots" are manufactured as an "orchid" type of pot. I looked around and found a bunch of sources( but only in Australia). They caught my eye because I wanted some small shallow pots last year and went on the hunt.

    I purchased Pantera bowls and they look almost identical except that the Pantera are clay colored. I found them through a couple of different sources and ended up buying them from Martin's Produce, which had the best price including shipping.

    They have multiple holes in the bottom of them:


    Greenhouse Megastore shows the height with each pot size. Martin's produce only shows the pot size (but the height will be equivalent).

    http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/panterra-bowls/containers-for-schools


    https://www.martinsproducesupplies.com/traysflatspotsplanters/panterra-bowls



    I'm glad you asked Rachel this question and am interested to hear her response. Hope you find the above information helpful. :-)


    Deborah

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Found these on Amazon. They are 7.5" round and 3.5" deep with multiple drain holes. Would like to know as well from Rachel if these would be good as a baby Adenium pot or if i should try to find something even smaller. I'm new to all of this and I'm hoping to get it right sooner rather than later.

    Great question Carol :)

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XBPZC4W/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496590097&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=teku+plastic+bowl&dpPl=1&dpID=41HXdHnRcGL&ref=plSrch

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Carol and everyone, I will measure the pots and post the information here sometime today. It's early in the morning right now and my pots are stored outside - very cold out there & I'm still in my pj's. :D. Please check back here later. :)

    Carol love_the_yard (Zone 9A Jacksonville, FL) thanked User
  • 9 years ago

    I can personally vouch for her comment . "We have tried deeper pots many times & have found that this results in a taller rather then wider base/root system." This is what happens when you leave it in a deep pot for years. The roots grow straight down...

  • 9 years ago

    squat pots may sometimes be referred to as azalea pots …

  • 9 years ago

    I wish I had your Adenium with that problem. My seeds haven't even sprouted yet. I'm just being optimistic by thinking ahead for the proper pots. Lol

  • 9 years ago

    Hi again, here's some more information. This is a photo of a pot we used to use before moving our plants into the squat style pots. They are about 5 inches in height and 3 and a half inches diameter. We don't tend to use this size pot anymore as we found our seedlings filled this pot size too quickly & we would have to repot more often.

    I thought I'd show this size as an alternative if you feel your seedling isn't yet big enough to go into the wider squat pots. The plant below was 8mth old in this photo.

    Carol.... when growing in the squat pots you will find that the plants will be more likely to fill the depth before they fill the width. Keep an eye on the bottom of the pots for any roots starting to grow through. (This happens more in the black pots as they have a lot of holes) You do not want this to happen as it makes it difficult to remove without damaging the roots. If we see roots (usually slightly thicker ones) starting to grow through the holes in the bottom we repot the plant. (We do not root prune). At this point we do not bareroot, we just unpot & take a little soil off the bottom/top & sides - then place some new soil in the bottom of the same pot (about an inch) and place the plant back into the pot and just fill in around. The plant is now repotted around an inch higher then previously. This tends to set the plant off to grow more widthways rather then depth, while still giving it a little fresh soil in the bottom for any roots that still grow down. We also find many of our plants start to branch out more after this instead of growing taller. (Note - we use a bark style cactus/succulent mix with all our plants, this is what suits our growing conditions & climate.) If you are concerned about rot, you could always add some perlite to your mix. It is important to use a soil growing medium that suits 'your' weather. We don't tend to fertilise much, as our plants get enough nutrients from the soil mix. You can mix a little slow release fertiliser into your mix if you want.

    Can I also say we water more often then most people do. In Spring we repot & water about once a week as the plants start to become active, increasing watering as the weather warms & the plants grow more. In Summer, our plants may be watered as much as every second day, as they dry out quickly in our daytime temps. As soon as they start to dry out we water again. (Our Summer days are typically 30celsius or more every day, with high humidity).

    We repot into the next size squat pot, as soon as the base has fattened enough or when the "underground" roots have become too full to stay in the same size pot. The width of your plant does not need to completely fill the width of your pot before going up a size. We continue to repot into subsequently larger width squat pots each year, many times having to skip a pot size to have enough room for the growing season. We sometimes repot into a larger size squat pot mid-season due to growth. Our young plants usually go dormant in Winter & we leave them in the same size pot till Spring even if they are jammed full. We do not repot late in the season or in Winter.

    All of this takes abit of experience to do correctly. It is something we have learnt from trial and error. You may want to use some of this information & adapt it to how you like to grow. Or maybe try this method on just a few plants while growing others in your usual method. :)

    Carol love_the_yard (Zone 9A Jacksonville, FL) thanked User
  • 9 years ago

    Deborah & Yayi, those pots in the links look like a good alternative to the pots I use. Our pots have additional holes in the sides of the bottom of the pot. You just need to be aware of what size plant that is suitable for what size pot. Here are a couple of photos as an example.

    This plant in the no.6 pot, (Diameter 6"...Height 4" pot size) Last season.

    And here it is in the no.5 pot, (Diameter 8 and a half inches. Height 4 and a quarter inch pot this season.) Notice the difference in the caudex/root width. This plant is 3yrs old but was one of those slow growers.

    Most of our 3yr old plant are in the next size terracotta coloured pots. Like this one - No3 size pot. (Diameter 11 and three quarter inches.... Height 5")

    I hope this helps you understand pot size to ratio of plant size.

    Cheers Rachel. :)

    Carol love_the_yard (Zone 9A Jacksonville, FL) thanked User
  • 9 years ago

    Rachel - very beautiful plants, nice blooms, looks like they are seed grown adeniums. I got 2 same terracotta pots from bunnings, but at the moment 1 has a frangipani cutting in it, the other is empty as I just uprooted an adenium going soft due to root rot and pill bug. Had to do surgery on it, hope it survives. Its staying dry with cinamon on it.

    Happy gardening!

    Agartta

  • 9 years ago

    Rachel....wow beautiful double from seeds. Like like.

    Marie

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks Rachel who is the perfectionist lol

  • 9 years ago

    Rachel, you have gone above and beyond what's expected and I am VERY GRATEFUL. I will store this information and review again as many times as necessary. Others my think I'm silly for saying that, but I am honestly so new to this I would've never put any thought into pot selection never even knowing that it could affect the growth and development of the plant. I feel lucky and privileged to have people like you, and so many others on these forums, give freely of their hard earned knowledge. Thank you so very much. You are beyond kind to take the time to respond and in such length. <3

    Carol love_the_yard (Zone 9A Jacksonville, FL) thanked Yayi (SouthFL 10b)
  • 9 years ago

    Thanks Yayi, When we (my husband & I) first started growing desert roses just over 15yrs ago there was little to no information available to help us grow them. We would have loved it if someone had been able to help us along the way.... I am glad I could help. :)

    Pete - Ha ha, takes one to know one. Giggle. :)

    Marie - I am loving your plants also. Still peeking over your fence. Lol.

    Agartta - hope your plant recovers. Yes, all our plants are seed grown. :)

    Carol love_the_yard (Zone 9A Jacksonville, FL) thanked User
  • 9 years ago

    Nice thread. Thank you for sharing them with us.

  • 9 years ago

    Rachel, you went above and beyond! Thanks a million for taking the time to show and explain in such detail. Greatly appreciated! Now to find out if I can monkey-see-monkey-do. Hee-hee!

    Carol

  • 9 years ago

    Wow Rachel, thank you for such an informative post!

    Deborah

  • 9 years ago

    Hi again, Glad I could help. :) Good luck with your plants.

    The longer you grow these plants the more you learn along the way. You will eventually learn to read (understand) your plants needs. We are still learning and experimenting even now.

  • 9 years ago

    Here's a couple of older photos from 2yrs ago to give you inspiration to keep growing these beautiful plants. Hope you enjoy.

  • 9 years ago

    They are stunning Rachel, beautiful blooms.

  • 9 years ago

    Gorgeous. I vow to succeed in this endeavor. I must have some like those! Lol

  • 9 years ago

    Yayi, the small pots you can see on the grass area in the photo above are some of the same ones that are now 3yrs old. They were nearly 1yr old in the photo.