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Stove Front Deeper than Cabinets?

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago

I have decorative gables on the sides of my Wolf Dual Fuel Range. The gables have been built out a bit too much. If I install the range so that the front of the oven door is flush against the front of the gables, then there will be a 1/2" gap at the back. Alternatively, I could push the range back flush against the rear wall, in which case the gables will be sticking out 1/4" to 3/8" proud of the front of the oven doors (I can reduce it from 1/2" by leaving a very small gap at the back, too small to notice).

The counter top is already installed, so I don't want to push the gables back at this point.

The installation manual does not actually provide for any maximum recess depth or minimum clearances to the sides of the oven door (it makes no mention of it)! They provide instructions for flush installation of wall-mounted ovens. The doors are 7/8" to 1" thick on wall-mounted ovens. My door on the free standing range is 1-1/8" thick.

I have also found a picture online showing a Wolf Range recessed from the front of the side gables, which I actually think looks alright (but if you think it looks wrong please say so):

Has anyone had any experience installing or owning a range stove that is pushed in further than the cabinet fronts? Any problem with discoloration of cabinets beside the oven? Mine are white painted maple.

I know it would be safer to pull the range out so that the gables don't stick out further than the oven door front, however, even at flush installation there will be 1-1/8" of gable exposed to heat escaping from the sides of the doors. If that's not a problem, then can it be much worse at 1-1/2"?

Comments (15)

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    What is the gable material? I can't cite a source, but I've read here many times, that for safety, the oven doors must extend past the cabinet fronts, not be flush, or behind cabinet fronts. Can you have a piece of countertop material, or stainless steel, fabricated to go behind the range, to fill the wider gap if the range is pulled out beyond the cabinet fronts/gables?

    You can also check in with the Appliances Forum. Here's one thread that shows a range with flush installation--scroll down until you see the pics of scharnikow59's range.

    Appliances--induction range installation

  • 9 years ago

    I'd also consider pulling and redoing or modifying the design of the gables.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The door is not supposed to be flush with the cabinet front. The Wolf range oven door is supposed to sit proud of the cabinets. The oven minus the door should be flush with the base cabinets, and the oven's door sticks out. That's so that when the oven's door is open, there is no exposure of the combustible material of the cabinets on either side. My range sticks out about 2", as it is supposed to do, which is the thickness of the oven door. When my oven door is open, you can see that the oven itself is flush with the front of the cabinets. I don't have a real pro-style range. The more pro-style ranges like the Wolf will stick out even more.

    If you want decorative gables, they should be at the sink or elsewhere in the kitchen. Not next to an oven since the gables are combustible.

    Here is a photo of cabinetry damaged by a range that was too flush with the cabinets. Also a photo of a Wolf range correctly installed proud of the cabinets.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I took a close look a the top picture, as that's the exact stove that we have. I then looked at how our stove is installed. And in the picture it clearly is pushed into the cabinets too far ... by about one inch. I am not at all surprised that it damaged the cabinets.

    I am not surprised at all, that the picture neglects to show the top of the stove. I bet it would show obviously incorrect alignment between the stove and the counter top.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    M - I am not sure what you meant about not being surprised that the photo neglects to show the top of the stove. The objective of that picture is to show what damage can happen when a range is not installed proud of adjoining woodwork.

  • 9 years ago

    Sorry, I should have been more clear in what I said.

    Yes, no question about the fact that damage can happen. And thank you for digging out the picture. That should really help OP understand the issues.

    But I wanted to point out that this shouldn't come as a surprise. The stove is designed so that sides stand proud of the cabinets by about an inch or so. And this design carries through all parts of the stove. If you look at the top of the stove, it would be quite obvious that it isn't lined up with the counter top the way the manufacturer intended it.

    In other words, whoever installed it, went out of their way to deliberate ignore installation instructions. I can't blame them too much though, because I naïvely would have also expected that an appliances could be flush with cabinetry. So, OP's question is absolutely understandable. The contractor should have known better though.

    Incidentally, I also think that OP's stove is missing the proper trim piece in the back. For this type of installation, you normally need a slightly raised back so that nothing falls behind the stove.

  • 9 years ago

    The stove needs to sit proud if the cabin eta with the top above the counter level. yours is I stalled incorrectly on multiple levels. That is a fire hazard.

  • 9 years ago

    Thank you everyone for your thoughts and comments.

    I think I knew deep down inside you're all right -- from a logical and practical perspective, you want the door to stick out from the cabinets! But when I see pictures like these from the Subzero-Wolf website, I keep thinking and hoping that someone can tell me they did this very thing and it was perfectly fine...!

    I will admit, it is more common to find a flush installation example than one where the stove is set back from the cabinet front. And a lot more common to find an example of the range door sticking out from the cabinets!

    But I have managed to find these examples on Houzz (all looking like they spent a lot of time thinking through the details), and I want to desperately believe that their gables have stayed beautifully white even with daily use of their ovens for years:

    Woodmeister Master Builders - Kitchens 31 · More Info

    Classic White Kitchen · More Info

    Kitchen · More Info

    So it looks like it's been done before, just not very frequently. I've posted questions on the Houzz examples I found, but those pictures were posted years ago and I am not sure if the designer/homeowner will respond. I'm hoping someone could come and tell me from their own experience how this has worked out over the years...

    And in response to your questions:

    @mama goose_gw nz60H: Gable is made from white painted maple. If I end up deciding to pull the range out, I will get my countertop fabricator to cut me an extra piece for the gap in the back :) Seems like the safest solution for sure, except I don't know if I want the range to stick out another 1-1/8" from the gables (1-1/8" is the thickness of the door), which sticks out 1" from the rest of the cabinets...!

    @dan1888: It's a bit too late to modifying the gables without a lot of delay and a lot of annoyance from everyone involved... :( Everyone will want to kill me, including my husband :)

    @friedajune and @M: It's funny that Wolf does not give any instruction about this in their installation manual! For example, I checked Thermador's installation manuals and they specify the maximum recess depth (thereby requiring the doors to stand further out than the cabinet fronts). In the picture with the damage, it looks like some excess heat came out of the third vent on the side of the door, where the metal is darkened. Wolf's door is solid on the sides and does not have any vents. In any event, I totally understand the physics of heat needing to escape from the oven when you open the door -- though I suppose most of it goes upwards and not sideways. The question remains, how much does it go sideways on a Wolf range, and is it enough to ruin white painted maple? Hmm...

    @Sophie Wheeler: That's actually not a picture of my stove. It's just an example I found to illustrate what I was talking about. I took a very close look at that picture, and they seemed to have made the gables out of stone (you can see some faint veining on the right side). If I could turn back time, I think I would have had my counter top fabricator make the gables for me out of a white quartz that matched my cabinets... But alas it is too late, unless I want to hold up construction for several weeks! And honestly speaking, I'm not sure if I have room in my budget for mitered quartz gables, though I am really loving the sound of that... :)

  • 8 years ago

    Has there been any resolution to this debate, I'm also in the process of deciding how far to recess my range into the cabinets.

  • 8 years ago

    Manufacturers instructions say maximum cabinet depth of 25". But what most people would consider a 25" cabinet depth would not include, for example, the 3/4" drawer front thickness out past the cabinet face. So it's not entirely clear. I assume if flames were shooting out of the oven, an inch one way or the other wouldn't prevent the cabinets from catching fire Can you post a picture of your blue hair?

  • 8 years ago

    If you were around kitchen specs more, you’d know. The referred cabinet depth includes the 3/4” or 1” door thickness. Anything wood. Nothing wood deeper than 25” next to the range. I am unanimous in that

  • 8 years ago

    If you want something sleeker, try a cooktop over a wall oven. My "pro style" range sticks out 2" at the oven level, not including the handle or the hangover lip thingy at the top. My Miele wall oven sticks out less than an inch. (No, they don't match.)

  • 8 years ago

    I would suggest contacting Wolf customer service. Our last home had a dual fuel Wolf "pro style" and did stick out past the cabinet doors, but I never noticed heat radiating from the sides of the oven door, even during the Clean operation (very high heat). Also, if you bring it forward and have counter top behind it may look awkward because of the raised stainless vent section at the back will not be against the wall. Also would make a difficult area to clean (the countertop section behind the range).

  • 8 years ago

    Sorry, misinformation. The slightly raised back stainless is not vent area. The Dual Fuel range oven vent is from below.