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Citrus care for overwintering with lights

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

Hi guys! It's great to see everyone helping each other with ideas for overwintering with lights. It's amazing to hear that some trees are even pushing new growth! This has me wondering if overwintering indoors with added lights changes the recommended winter cultural care. Most of what I read suggests that watering should be severely reduced and fertilizers should be cut down to 1/2 or even 1/4 of the amount. I'm assuming this universal advice refers to indoor citrus trees placed in southern Windows and not trees that are given supplemental light for 12-14 hours.

So how do you guys approach fertilizing and watering when you grow your citrus under lights? My Meyer is exploding with flowers and I want to feed it badly so it doesn't kill itself but I'm confused about how much to feed it :( She lost the bottom half of its leaves outside so there's only about 35 leaves total on the branches. Some of those leaves already have yellow middle veins. My Meyer cares more about making babies than surviving herself. I'm thinking half the normal dosage but given I have 2 light sources on the tree..maybe it can take the full dosage? Any thoughts or ideas would help me figure out a way to keep my Meyer happy.

Comments (16)

  • 8 years ago

    A citrus tree profusely blooming, dropping leaves, and the leaves remaining turning yellow, is a sign by the tree that you need worry about. The tree is in trouble of dying, and is trying to produce a fruit so that through the fruit, life might continue. You should read (or re-read) the link on "Winter Leaf Drop" (WLD).

    kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b) thanked Silica
  • 8 years ago

    My citrus trees are very actively growing flowering and setting fruit (temps 15C to 16C at night and 21C to 24C during the day) Because of the high humidity, I don't need to water that often but fertilizing has not stopped. I still have to figure out how to get humidity under control. No leaf drop or yellowing yet.

    kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b) thanked Susanne Michigan Zone 5/6
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The leaf dropping occurred when my tree was outdoors. The leaves that turned yellow while outside have stopped turning color once it was brought inside with the lights last week. I think the low light levels outside and cold winds were causing the tree to go downhill. The leaves have gone back to being vivid green except the few that started yellowing when outdoors. Thanks for the reading suggestion Silica! I'll make sure to take a look at it. Maybe the tree being a Meyer makes this common behavior. Have any Meyer growers seen the same thing happen to their Meyer trees when transitioning to winter?

    Of course your trees are doing amazing things under your care Susanne. Is it all the trees being grouped together that raises the humidity? It must feel like walking into a greenhouse when you enter the room. Thanks for letting me know how your indoor treatment is going! I may feed mine reduced fertilizer and go back to the full amount if I see good things happen :)

  • 8 years ago

    seed grown meiwa kumquat trees 1-5 are under the white bucket lights. Fukushu kumquat tree on C35 roots is under the yellow bucket light.
    2b with ground 14 gauge cord with integral grounding plug hooked up to light fixture in a grounded {with grounding screw} 4 inch metal octagonal ceiling box.
    same grounded box with grounded outlet. All plugged into GFCI

    Steve

  • 8 years ago

    Last year I fed them about every other week at half strength. I also fed the protekt. It’s hard to tell how much that helped, but it certainly did not hurt. I also at times added a tiny bit of FP to the water I mist them with. This year I am thrilled to be using rainwater from my new rain barrel, so I suspect they will like that better. I water them about every 5 days or so depending on how dry they feel, but I don’t like to let them get too dry bc then the mix becomes hydrophobic.

    kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b) thanked Laura LaRosa (7b)
  • 8 years ago

    Here's a small photo update on my Meyer since bringing it in under lights

    Tons of flower buds keep emerging and opening and the smell of it is amazing! I can't wait to have more citrus trees. The information you guys gave me about your own tree care has been really helpful. I notice the yellow veins of the leaves slowly filling in with green again! I don't know if it's possible to become fully green again but I'm so happy to see she's regaining strength.

    After reading all the threads about WLD and indoor lights, I figured out why my tree dropped so many leaves outdoors. My tree still got about 4-5 hours of direct sun but the temperatures outside were in the low 60s down to the 50s. Nights were also cold from 40-50F and windy as well. My tree must've stopped being active from the cold temperatures but was receiving too much light so it shed a lot of leaves! It's a good thing the rest of you brought your trees in a bit earlier. Maybe if my tree wasn't a Meyer it wouldn't have dropped so many leaves but at least she made it easy to see what was going wrongly

  • 8 years ago

    Steve, I noticed that some of your buckets with soil do not have holes on the sides. Are there holes on the bottom?

    Also noticed holes for ventilation. How warm does it get in there? What are the average, high and low temps? What are the ambient temps.

  • 8 years ago

    All the buckets have hole in the bottom. Since I am using 2-2-1 mix I did not drill side holes.

  • 8 years ago

    Can you answer the questions about temps?

  • 8 years ago

    There is about a 10F to 15F degree rise inside the light bucket. I have never measured the soil temperature. I could slow down soil cooling by mulching with pine bark or a layer of sand or pelite. My house never gets cooler than 58F and with my quad glass window I get a lot of solar heating. My walls are R-30 and the roof about R-200..

    Steve

    kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b) thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 8 years ago

    Thanks, Steve. I was just wondering what the contribution of temperature was to the increased growth rate. Looks like your bucket temps are about 70 - 75 F.

  • 8 years ago

    New growth is usually light green. Mist with FP whenever as long as it is out of direct sun.

    kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b) thanked Vladimir (Zone 5b Massachusetts)
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Your trees sound happy to me Kelley! There's another couple threads talking about indoor lighting and temperatures causing winter leaf drop but yours are growing so I think your trees are happy. I don't spray mine with FP but I know foliar spraying is best done when humidity isn't too dry. You don't want the spray drying up faster than the leaves can absorb it.

    I watered and fertilized my tree last week and it's going crazy with blooms. I'm not sure when to water again but I'm going to monitor the soil and air temperature and water when it's at its highest.

    Don't mind the soil.. sometimes I throw small pieces of degradable stuff on top lol. The veins used to look very bright yellow but now they're slowly turning light green. I think the light is working!

  • 8 years ago
    Hi Kvet for my winter lighting I Use an LED shop light strip from a big box store, my citrus seem to love it. My Persian Lime has a flush of new growth already no blooms yet. I do cut back on watering and fertilizer until my trees get over the initial shock of being brought inside. Once I see signs of new growth I step up the watering and fertilizer a bit. My house is very dry in winter and my plants are situated above a heat duct so I actually have to be careful they don't get too dry.
    kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b) thanked coreycampbell1987 .
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    Very nice growth on your lime Corey! Maybe it's a good thing they get more dry rather than staying wet all winter. I worry whether the soil stays too moist for too long since temperatures are still a bit cool indoors. The new bundle of growth looks adorable! I'm envious, my tree is doing much better indoors now but still hasn't pushed any new leaves yet. The flowers finally seem to be slowing down though