Sounds like your Eden is acting very normal. This is a rose that as you have said, gets a lot of complaints about how stingy it is with the flowers. It also does better on a budded plant. Own roots seems to make it take more time. There is no other climber like it and when it blooms, one tends to forgive it's cheapness. My Eden has become a monster in my new garden and I think the clay soil might have something to do with it. Also, I wonder if Eden prefers a cool climate? Would it prefer to be contained as a large shrub? I will wait until others answer those questions.

I grow Red Eden and it doesn't roar but you do get flowers in a couple of years from it. I also grow Red Eden as a large shrub and it appears to be happier that way. But again this is information from a wet PNW garden.

Red Eden is not related to the other Eden roses in anyway other than name. Pink Eden is a sport of Eden, but I've read more vigorous. Hopefully that means it will flower sooner too. I just planted it, so I won't expect much this spring. Have you seen this video of Pretty in Pink Eden/aka Margaret Mae from Reggie Tomerline? I don't know how many plants he has growing there, but it looks incredible.

It took two years before I saw a single rose bloom on my Eden. However, it is such a beautiful flower, to me it is a keeper and will grow next to my Pretty in Pink Edens.

My pretty in pink Eden is way superior to regular Eden. Mine bloomed and grew from the time I planted it. It came from home depot in may . It grew to be at least 7 ft tall and is ready for some climber support. No fragrance, very healthy. It bloomed a lot for me. I think I had less than ten blooms from my own root , 3 or 4 year old Eden . This spring is its LAST chance . I have earth angel next to it and that one wows me way more!

I have a 1 yr old eden own root. Its just started climbing a while back. I got about 4 flowers this first year. They were small and since its still short, the chickens took bites outta them anyhow lol. I ordered the PIPE for spring from Edmunds. I hope it flowers better..not sure but I think Edmunds is own root? I dont know why, but I thought Edmunds had grafted bare roots, so I also ordered another Eden thinking it would grow better grafted lol. Oh well lol!

Btw, isn't is sickening to see those you tube videos of the regular Eden with like a gabillion giant cupcake blooms on it? What kinda rose crack are these people feeding these things to get them to bloom like that? lol...so not fair!

I still would like to get a grafted Eden. I think DA has them.

Lily, I'm glad to hear Earth Angel is good because I ordered that for spring too which here, I guess, means it ships late Jan, early Feb from Edmunds. Seems like I ordered sooo many pink roses this year lol

That is a great report on Pretty in Pink Eden, Lilyfinch. It makes me excited to see how it does in my garden. I think Earth Angel would look beautiful at the foot of Pretty in Pink Eden. Maybe I will need to make space for that one. I wonder how prolific Kiss Me Kate is for a light pink climber? I will be watching for reports about it on the gardenweb.

I have Earth Angel. It’s a wonderful rose, stingy on the blooms so far, it it’s a one-year-old own root, and I’ve pruned it back multiple times to get it to form a fuller Bush (and that has worked well). I can’t really judge it for those reasons. I absolutely adore it for its extreme health and vigor. I have two on their own roots and even though they have not bloomed profusely, they’ve given me a few spectacular blooms.

i think I’ll try PIP Eden I’m intrigued.

Kiss me kare, for me has been prone to BS and a very slow grower. I got her and Bliss the same day and Bliss is more than 10x the size, has produced many blooms, and is extremely healthy. Not one spot on her. Bliss is also, quickly becoming a favorite.

I grow 2 Edens and White Eden. They were large 5 gallon potted grafted plants my local nursery received from Star Roses. They all took off their first year and have done very well since. I have never grown it own root but they have done fantastic as grafted plants. Oldrosarian has a point - perhaps they do prefer cooler climates - not sure. I sp’d Red Eden due to balling - it wasn’t quite as vigorous or hardy either but the blooms were beautiful.

I have had the same experience with KMK this year - it defoliated twice due to BS and hasn’t shown much vigor. Please post pics and other information on Bliss as it matures :)

Dave, how are the Edens for you? They're just first years, but how is disease resistance/weakness? Do the blooms open fully?

SoFL Rose, is balling ever an issue in your climate? Red Eden isn't related to Eden/White Eden/PiP Eden so it isn't a good predictor of the others, but they all have a LOT of petals and a very similar shaped bloom.

Hey ac91z6 - I’ve had my Edens and White Eden for almost 4 years and have never had problems with balling. Other than some anthracnose it’s first year and a little BS late in the season since, they have demonstrated great disease resistance.

Thanks Dave!

After 3 years, my Eden bloomed periodically through the summer, but in our heat it loses the flower form. Unfortunately, Eden's large mass requires much more water and food than I can give it in its location.

I dont usually have problems with balling, only on certain varieties. My eden, when it has given me a few blooms, didn't ball. Clodite Soupert, on the other hand was a balling machine. But its the only one I've grown (I no longer grow it) that balled badly.

Sofl, I dug out my clotilde soupert as well because of the balling . I definitely regret it , even though I swore I was fed up with it. It's fragrance is almost holy . Like unbelievably beautiful! But almost all blooms would be brown tissue paper wads. So heartbreaking when there are so many blooms. Seems like it would always rain when they were getting ready to open !

Yeah, mine balled so bad. It has the thinnest petals of any rose I've grown. Mine was also a blackspot magnet. I didnt so much remove it, as lost it to disease. It can be a lovely rose in dry climates, but not here.

I have a 3-year old own-root Eden in a pot (that's way too small) that came from Heirloom Roses.

The first year - one bloom.

Second year (2016):

Third year (2017):

SoFla Rose, before you SP your Eden, does it get full sun most of the day? The first year I had it, it was in part shade. The next year I moved it to a place where it gets 7-8 hours of full sun and "bam!" Lots of beautiful blooms (no balling). I have not gotten more than one flush and I attribute that to how hot and intense the sun is here in the summer. Last year I could see the plant trying to produce another flush but the tiny blooms just fell off before opening. My roses here in Northern Arizona seem to go into a summer bloom dormancy where they just don't feel like blooming when it's really hot.

I don't have either of the other two Eden's you're asking about though Red Eden looks beautiful.

Wow. That’s gorgeous in its pot. Amazing

I need that pot for a bubbler fountain lol. Your Eden is gorgeous!

My pink Eden is stingy but I do enjoy the few blooms it put out every year. However, I do love the look of the plant. It is beautiful, healthy and behaves well even without flowers.

My Eden, also own-root from Heirloom, blooms its heart out in Spring and has recently started repeating in a second large flush. The upcoming summer will be its fourth. You can see pictures of its second and third year on this thread: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/4601390/edenthe-low-down-dirty-detailspost-here?n=32

A few other things to consider would be: 1) as someone else indicated above, how is it situated? Does it get optimal sun? 2) How are you fertilizing it? Does it get too much nitrogen, which can cause lots of growth at the expense of blooms? 3) What is going on with your other roses? Do they all bloom as much as you would expect? Could there be rose midge involved? 4) Where did you get it? Could this be a clone that is virused? 5) How does it do for others in your area? Might this be related to the winter not getting cold enough for this rose to bloom really well?

I hope you can troubleshoot it, because this rose is really a stunner once it gets going. Every year I tell myself I will get rid of it because it has no real fragrance to my nose, and every year it is more beautiful. I can't bring myself to dig it up. Good luck!

My pretty in Pink Eden is vigorous and getting huge. Just about to bloom now that we are mid-June in Idaho. It's been cold weather for a few days so I'm patiently waiting for hot weather to come back so she can explode in blooms



Second photo is from last summer when all of these tall basal canes were shooting up. Mine came from Lowe's but I think she is own-root, I swear I read that on the tag when I bought it.

Do any of you have experience growing Eden on an East facing wall?

Red eden climbing rose is easy to plant and very gorgeous when they are blooming.

@jasmin Would you happen to know where Mumu Jade (that blogger that wrote the article you linked) is located? I recently ordered a Red Eden and I am interested to know how thorny it is and how it does in heat. Mumu Jade mentions this "can grow under high or low temperature". But some people define high temperature as 80'sF (like the Select Seeds website); whereas in Texas we get upper 90's and low 100's for months and months every year.

We have one first year Eden, and one first year pip Eden, both own root, growing in large terracotta pots in intense heat here in central Italy, and we’ve had maybe half a dozen flowers this year from each. They’ve both been healthy all year and doe well overall but not standout well. Nonetheless, they’re gorgeous and we’re very happy with both.

And we have around a dozen red edens that we bought around this time last year which are all growing in medium/large plastic pots around our perimeter fence line, meaning that some are in very hot full sun and others are in varying degrees of shade. I believe they’re grafted but I can’t remember for sure. They’re my heroes; the best roses in our garden against some pretty stiff competition. And they’re breathtakingly beautiful. Oh, and, ps, they were the last roses still flowering here last year and the first things year, they’re virtually evergreen, the flowers last for up to 3 weeks or more and look gorgeous from go to wo, including on those occasions when they ball. This is a pic I took this morning of the latest bunch (literally) of flowers opening on one of them. There are at least 18 buds opening in this bunch, and remember this is on a red Eden that’s barely a year old and growing in a technically undersized plastic pot in extreme heat. I looove red Eden more than I can say!!