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planting trees together by type and pollination - really necessary?

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

I've been reading about permaculture and its been pointed out that by planting all of your apples together and peaches together etc. you make it really easy for pests and diseases to just jump from tree to tree. I understand that on a commercial scale it still makes sense to group things this way because they look to machine harvest or organize u-pick... but do people on this forum do it at home? If so, why? for spraying purposes?

When I planted my trees and rootstocks I did it automatically too. I grouped everything together like a junior high dance but now I am thinking I am going to move things around and mix them up (it's early enough that I should be able to do it). I realize that I need to keep an eye on pollination but I thought I would graft a few chestnut crab branches etc as needed on trees to cover that. (I've often wondered why trees sold to home growers dont all have that "pollination branch" right on it. Seems like it would make things easier.)

I have seen some videos online of food forests where they really stagger plantings : a pome , then a nitrogen fixing tree, then a stone fruit , then a hazelnut or something before going back to the pome fruit. Makes the bugs and diseases work a bit in order to spread. Thoughts on the wisdom/foolhardiness of this endeavor? People currently doing this who can chime in with advice? We're talking about a back yard on a 1 acre suburban lot, not a giant orchard, so I should be able to keep track of things... I think

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  • 8 years ago

    I have been doing some reading on the topic of cross pollination distance recently myself as I am dealing with a 5 acre property with many mature trees, and now trying to find places here and there to insert more fruit trees. Unfortunately finding good information is not that easy, and you generally run across a rule of thumb that says plant 2 trees that will cross pollinate if within 75 to 100 feet of each other, and maintain at least 500 feet to 2 miles of separation to exclude cross pollination in fruit trees. A bit more digging and one finds that not all fruit trees are the same when it comes to pollination, and that pear tree blooms are not nearly as attractive to bees as stone fruit blooms are. Now when one reads about honey bees, one will find that they will range up to 2 miles from their hives searching for food, and that they tend to back and forth along the same basic angle. Of course there are other types of pollinating insects other than honey bees, (other bees, wasps, moths, etc.) bumble bees are another common pollinator though they are less reliable than honey bees and lack the ability to coordinate foraging so tend to roam around at random over much shorter distances from their hives.

    Having said that, you mention that you are dealing with the back yard of a 1 acre lot, 1 acre square is about 208 feet on each side, assuming a typical rectangular yard that is 3 to 4 times deeper than it is wide with the house set 1/3 of the way back from the front edge. So for easy math lets assume a backyard that takes up 2/3 of the total lot (.66 acres), that is a bit longer and narrower than average with the total lot measuring 100 ft x 450 ft (1.03 acres), and the back yard portion measuring 100x300 ft. It is easy to see that at no point in the back yard can 2 trees exceed the minimum 500 ft separation suggestion to prevent cross pollination and also it is fairly easy to stay within the 100 ft cross pollination distance guidelines one commonly sees in print. So in the end you probably should not worry too much about it, just don't place plants that you wish to cross pollinate at opposite corners of the yard.

    Matt thanked Ike Stewart
  • 8 years ago

    Yes...lots of people worry too much about cross pollination, no need to graft into the tree, it can help by planting them in a good mix, I'd still plant the harder to pollinate fruits together, like plums. That permaculture thing..a bit of a hype I think lately but it can be good, definitely not a miracle thing..you'll still get pest problems..perhaps less airborn/spreading problems, say if you're in a environment where it's wet allot you have fungal/virus problems no matter where the trees are planted, probably need to get sprayed if you're wanting to harvest anything, especially stone fruit.

    Matt thanked Konrad..just outside of Edmonton Alberta