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Dampness on Travertine Pavers.

8 years ago
I’ve tried researching the answer but could not find a reason for the daily dampness on a large area of our patio. We have quite a bit of silver tumbled pavers around pool. There isn’t any dampness on any other area. We are in Arizona and it’s pretty dry here.. I’m concerned that there might be some underground wetness from a possible pool leak. Newly built home and pool 2017. Travertine was installed in spring. There’s been quite a lot of settling and we are seeing many pavers becoming lifted and sloped. Any advice would be appreciated. It’s under warranty but need to get an idea of what could be happening. Thanks! Last pic is what travertine without dampness looks like.

Comments (16)

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    While it doesn't hurt to post it here, there might be an even better forum. Check the master list.

    This kind of problem seems like it might be very hard to diagnose from afar since many factors are unknown. If the pool was leaking, I'd think you could determine that from the water level. There could be irrigation or pool pipes that could leak. I would get the paver installers looking into it since the problem is already affecting the pavers. They may be able to help diagnose cause.


  • 8 years ago
    Thank you. I was told it was condensation but not totally convinced. I was curious if anyone else has experienced this.
  • 8 years ago

    Condensation means moisture is being generated somewhere :-) Either from the atmosphere (humidity, high dew point) or from moisture under the surface like from damp soil or a water leak. That it does not appear uniformly over the surface of the travertine would tend to indicate it is not an atmospheric source so I would look to an underground issue being the cause.

    I agree bringing in your paving contractor is probably the best way to go and simplest, since they need to do some repair/resetting work anyway.

  • 8 years ago
    I agree, I would assume if it’s condensation from pool or dew, it would be around pool’s circumference. Since the pool was finished during pool season, we couldn’t tell if it was dampness from pool use. Now that it’s winter, here in AZ we don’t get a lot of moisture or rain. This wetness is always there in morning, pool pump runs during evening. Water leveler line does run along this area.. ugh. Thank you for your reply.
  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The settling is a bell-ringer for me, especially if it's only in the area where there is noticeable moisture build-up. If it is condensation then what is the magical source of said condensation? While I have seen patios in the Midwest that have inexplicable moisture issues it seems unlikely for you in Arizona.

    To echo @Yardvaark, the pool or irrigation lines could have the tiniest leak and be the culprit. Try to schedule the landscape contractor and the pool contractor for a joint appointment. Whatever the issue, both contractors have a vested interest in making sure that any problem is solved.

    Good luck and let us know when you get a solution.

  • 8 years ago
    @Yardvaark not sure if the lines are insulated or not, I just know a pvc runs along there for water leveler that goes to hose bib on side of yard..
  • 8 years ago
    K&D Landscape, I’m thinking this is going to be an issue, pool company installed the pavers, landscape company irrigation for plants and pergola by separate contractor that goes over this area..So three companies will hopefully not be passing the buck to each other. Thanks! Scheduled pool company to come out and do pressure test and bucket test.
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Pressure test on the pool lines is a great place to start.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    I was joking about the insulated chiller lines since there is no reason you would have such a thing in your yard. An uninsulated pipe of ground temperature water running through the ground is not going to sweat condensation. It's doubtful any line you would have would be capable of sweating enough to cause a problem. It's more likely a leak or something weird going on that we probably couldn't guess.

  • 8 years ago
    Update - after testing, there isn’t a pool leak but I am getting the pool company to come back out and remedy the travertine problem. It seems that all the polymeric sand or whatever is in the grout lines is washing away, exposing the top layer of sand that pavers are on..also after looking at several other travertine pool decks and patios in my neighborhood, their travertine joints and grout lines are minimal.. ours are a lot wider. This could be the reason for all the sinking and moisture. Let’s see what pool company does about this.. thanks!
  • 8 years ago

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  • 8 years ago
    Still waiting ... pool owner came to look at problem. No leak from plumbing so just waiting for resolution if any. I wish I went with another type of stone, from all the pics of beautiful landscapes I’ve seen with travertine pool decks, I was sure this was going to be something I loved.
  • 8 years ago
    Posted a new thread, paver sand base seems mighty sparse. I think the all the settling and condensation is possibly from pavers not being properly installed.
  • 7 years ago

    Did you ever get resolution on this? I am having the exact same issue with the same travertine, so I feel your pain. I also live in Phoenix.

  • 7 years ago

    Michelle, this is a long shot but we had a somewhat similar problem after our pool was completed. It eventually (after many months of high water bills) turned out that there was a leak in an irrigation pipe. The thin pipe used by the pool contractor's landscape sub was run right next to the pool deck and was likely cracked during construction. It was behind the valve so that it only leaked when that sprinkler zone ran. Just checking the meter did no good. The excess dampness below the crack was dismissed by multiple people as being caused by the slope and clay soil and was termed "normal." The pool builder denied any responsibility for his sub's damage, which was one of several problems caused by that sub. Between the high water bills and the repair cost, we were out about $2K.


    We also had pavers settling in several areas due to the landscape sub's failure to adequately compact the soil used to fill in behind a retaining wall. The pavers had to be lifted and additional stone and sand fill put beneath them.


    Our pool's auto-fill feature has also made it harder to diagnose multiple small leaks. We've turned it off a few times to monitor the water level, but evaporation amounts can differ from day to day depending on the weather so it's still not always easy to prove a leak just by watching the water level.


    Good luck.