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Talk sense into me about this kitchen

8 years ago

This is long, so thanks in advance to anyone who has the patience to wade through it. House was built in 1999 and is the typical colonial/craftsman bland architectural muddle of that era. Kitchen got a facelift during main floor remodel of winter/spring 2014-15. It was mostly cosmetic, only real changes were closing in formal dining room to make an office and reconfiguring mudroom. This was the "before" (pardon tot paraphernalia overload):



That tape on the floor was marking the measurements for a new sectional. Rest of the great room space before:



There's a staircase with a window in the right corner, and TV is on the wall between stairs and front hallway. Sorry for terrible pictures, they're the best I can find that show everything before. All surfaces in the kitchen were changed out, but original cabinets were kept. They're partial overlay (which I don't love) and they don't reach the ceiling (which I really don't love) but they're solid maple (even the boxes) with pull outs and lazy susans, they have clean lines with no frills or curves, and it seemed like madness to change them since it would've cost a fortune to replace with something of equal quality. Debated painting them, but it would take probably a month to do it right and I don't even dislike natural maple, so decided to leave well enough alone.


Everything in kitchen was chosen to coordinate with existing natural maple cabinets. Handscraped 5" hickory plank floor carried through entire level (except mudroom area, that's LVT) with Tropic Brown granite counters and offset ceramic travertine backsplash. Walls everywhere are now Hirshfield's Delicate Honeysweet. Fridge was stainless already, everything else was replaced with stainless. Knobs were all changed from brass to oil rubbed bronze. Sorta doubled down on the maple by ripping out built in desk and replacing with pantry wall, plus cabinet doors to replace cheapo eyesore white bifold door on smaller pantry beside fridge.


After:







Three years later, I don't have any major regrets, in general I'm very happy. About a year ago I changed all the knobs to slightly larger brushed nickel and I might hate that amber glass pendant over the sink, but those are small potatoes, all things considered. Fridge really needs to be counter depth, but that'll wait until this one dies (lifespan of a fridge these days is what, like 10-12 years? This one's already 6, it'll happen soon enough). I do really wish the terrible popcorn ceilings were gone, but everyone around here wants at least $3/sq ft to remove them and they're still very common in this area, so they're hanging around like unwanted guests. I know they're actually kinda easy to scrape, but it's so MESSY and time consuming, and they're in every inch of this house and I don't wanna play 3000 square feet of that very un-fun game, so they live on in infamy.


What I need is for y'all to reason with me about some wild hairs that keep digging at me. The first is painting the cabinets. The maple is actually nice, it's very good quality wood, they're in perfect condition, natural maple is still extremely common in this area, and they suit the age and style of this house. BUT. There is this horrid little troll voice in the back of my head that keeps telling me how BRIGHT the kitchen would be if they were painted white. Which is dumb, right? Natural maple is a light wood. We have a bunch of windows. They're south facing. The kitchen is already bright. Stupid to paint them, right? They should be left alone, right? TALK SENSE INTO ME. I am generally a reasonable person, why can't I escape the harebrained notion to paint these perfectly lovely cabinets?


My second issue is that I really do wish the cabinets extended to the ceiling. Now, the cabinet guy for the remodel was AMAZING. His work was beautiful and he meticulously matched the finish on the existing maple, so he could absolutely build extensions. BUT. His prices reflect the quality of his work, and those two pantries (plus a built in bench/storage area for mudroom) were expensive. They were absolutely worth it, because they hugely improved the function of both rooms, but this is not a high end home so it wouldn't be worth the cost of custom extensions in a kitchen that already has loads of cabinets, right? BUT. You can never have too much storage and it would look so much prettier if they carried to the ceiling. Right? Plus, if we were already messing around with the uppers, then we could do some very minor reconfiguring and put a microwave to the right of the fridge and then a hood over the range (it already vents outside) and that would be really pretty. But that's stupidly expensive for a kitchen that already looks good, right? It would serve no functional purpose, really. It would just be pretty. So very pretty. But stupid, right? TALK ME OFF THIS LEDGE.


Also talk to me about the talavera pottery over the cabinets (up in the third "after" photo but absent in the first and second). Do I keep them or take them down and leave it empty up there? I don't really "decorate" the kitchen aside from those, so it felt pretty bare when they were gone after the remodel, but they've also been up there for like 15 years so I think my ability to judge them has been totally compromised. Is it just that random red vase and the weird little blue triangular wine bottle that's throwing them off? Those were both gifts, but it's been long enough that they can quietly disappear and the givers will never notice, probably.


Last thing, talk to me about lighting. Is the pendant over the sink as terrible as I think it is? The amber glass was chosen to coordinate with the yellow tones of the maple, but I just don't love it. I mean don't get me wrong, it's better than the fuggo boob light that was there before, but it doesn't seem right to me. Is it too small? Or is it fine? And what about replacing the can light over the island with... something? A pendant or two (it's a small baby island, it wouldn't fit much) or some kinda wee chandelier? Is that nonsense? Should I just go play with the bathrooms? There are four of them and they're all basic and boooooring. Do I need to keep my grubby mitts off the kitchen, or are any of these things reasonable endeavors?

Comments (43)

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    That is a kitchen that was never meant to have an island : ) but probably could have had a peninsula. As to paint? Have at with a pro. removing existing crown, adding a FLUSH with cabinet sofft fascia and crown can give you a look of cabinets to the ceiling if you are committed to painting them. In the meantime, empty the tops of cabinets!! But what you have is a case of kitchen and house lust, for one double or more in price of the one you have.. Yes?


  • 8 years ago

    Don't you hate that 'horrid little troll voice'?? Oh, the things it makes us do. lol

    Keep the pottery off the top of cabinets, that dates the house.

    Hmmmm painting. Instead of painting the cabinets I'd try other things first; maybe a different wall paint. I don't think that beige color, at least I think it's beige, is doing anything good for your kitchen.

    I also don't love the pendant.

    Now if you can't shut off the troll voice about extending the cabinets (which I don't think you really need to do), you can compromise; extend the cabinets and paint just the uppers white!


    Disaster Master thanked Melissa R
  • 8 years ago
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    First, I found your detailed story an entertaining and fun read. How long do you plan on staying in this house?

    I'd remove the pottery. Put one or more of the colourful pieces on the counter. Colour -- that's what you need. I wouldn't paint the cabinets, but I don't have to live with a maple I dislike. I'd try injecting colour somehow before committing to white cabinets.

    Extending the cabinets would be great for storage of seldom-used items. If you're planning on staying in the house for many years, then it might be worth it if you need the storage. Otherwise, no.

    I would change the pendant to something colourful (of course).

    Good luck!

    Disaster Master thanked hatetoshop
  • 8 years ago

    Jan, the island came with the house, and was clearly a result of the 90s trend of shoving in islands whether they fit or not. It's workable, barely - there's room for two people to work and pass each other in the kitchen. We actually almost removed it during the remodel, but it ended up staying because a peninsula would make the dining area too small for a 60" table. We use the island for prep space a lot, so we didn't want to remove it when we couldn't add counter space elsewhere. Every house in the neighborhood has the same dorky squished island situation, it's just one of the many realities of 90s construction. I definitely don't want to add a soffit, there was one of those in the house I grew up in and it screams 70s to me. I think they make kitchens feel smaller and shorter, which is sort of the opposite of what I'm going for. I don't think I have a terrible case of kitchen or house lust, at least certainly not for double or more the price of what I have. Our house is quite nice, it wasn't even bad before the remodel, just dated in decor. We're a casual household and we don't have millionaire pretensions, but it seems reasonable to me to try and work with the potential of the space you have, so long as you remain sensible about it. Hence my post here, asking for input on whether I'm just overthinking things, or if any of these notions are sound decisions. I'll remove the pots from over the cabinets, and probably change out the pendant whenever I find one I like. I'm not really sure what kind of pendant I actually want, so I'll have to sort that out.

  • 8 years ago

    Try collecting a dozen photos of kitchens you love in your ideabook.

    Often a simple change in paint color and adding a central lighting fixture will brighten up an already lovely room. They are easy, cost-effective changes.


  • 8 years ago
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    I think your maple cabinets are beautiful. Really nice tone - cool, not orangey - I love them. I would definitely NOT paint them, no way. I would rather have a lighter counter, but obviously that is not something you can change now. Lighter walls?

  • 8 years ago

    Your kitchen is lovely. I agree your cabinets are beautiful, and I would not paint them.

    However, I can see that overall it feels a bit blah. Agree with previous posters' suggestions to remove pottery etc. from tops of cabs. I'd bring in some "Wow" lighting, with either a focal fixture over the island or the dining table, and replace the pendant over the sink. Also add a bright, unexpected rug for some color/interest:


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    Well, you asked for sense so I'll give it. I'm not generally this blunt. Take all the money you would spend "improving" your perfectly functional and lovely kitchen, stick it in an envelope, and give it to someone who is having trouble feeding their family this month. The only thing your room needs is the hustle and bustle and clutter (yep!) of a busy family and I'm sure those erstwhile tots are now elementary students with all their attendant Important Stuff.

    I do completely understand that itch to jump into a room and get creative. I feel it all the time. Literally. That's why I'm here lol. Maybe you could diffuse some of your creative itchings by checking out other dilemmas and giving your two cents to posters who don't have the design abilities you have.

  • 8 years ago

    I love your maple cabinets and would not paint them.

  • 8 years ago

    Yep, lindsey, smit2380 and gm_tx nailed it.

  • 8 years ago

    Leave cupboards alone. Change your dining table set. Get rid of pendant light over sink, replace with flat to ceiling LED. Get rid of stuff on top of cabinets. Change your stove to a true slide stove, not in white.

  • 8 years ago

    nsc6 -- why would she get rid of her looks-like-new stainless steel stove? You might be looking at the before pics.

  • 8 years ago

    ^^ She already replaced the range. You missed the ‘after’ pic.

  • 8 years ago

    Oops my bad I see white.

  • 8 years ago

    About the amber glass pendant, it might be possible to buy a clear glass replacement shade.

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    Well, as a relatively low cost improvement, you could channel your creative energies into scraping the popcorn ;) you’ll be so tired and your arms will hurt so much, you’ll be wondering how you ever had the energy to think about your maple cabinets! :)

  • 8 years ago
    I’m going to counter all the decor advice with some "soul" advice. You have a beautiful home. You have a beautiful kitchen. It functions well for you and your family. Everyone has trolls but not everyone learns how to deal with them.You want those trolls out of you head, telling you to spend money, time and effort changing things? Practice gratitude for 30 days. Each day write down one, just one thing you like about your kitchen. Write a different thing every day. It can be small, it can be large. You love how the light comes in from the windows. You love that your pantry is organized. You love how it has room to move around in. Etc. In thirty days, probably sooner, your trolls will be gone. HOUZZ is a community for solving "first world" problems; it is a business dedicated to selling products, and touting professional services to sell products. So I’d add a HOUZZ fast as well. I always stop visiting HOUZZ when I start thinking that what I have is not good enough. It is good enough, and I am happy with it. Silence the trolls, and be happy.
  • 8 years ago
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    Let your inner “grass is greener on the other side” voice plan a bathroom renovation, or landscape renovation, or another involved project for someone else, like Habitat, and leave that kitchen alone. By the time that takes all of your money and attention, you’ll be glad the kitchen is finished to the level it is. It’s perfectly fine.

    Put that voice to better use.

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    I totally get it! If you’re like me, 99% of time I’m home, it’s in kitchen/family room with kids. Our kitchen was very similar, but given the amount of time I spend there, it had to change. We replaced with white cabinets to ceiling- the white plus continuity to ceiling made a huge difference even though the footprint didn’t change. Well worth the money for me. I would add to top of cabinets and have the uppers professionally painted, plus lighter wall color. When the time comes, a counter depth fridge will help, too. I can live with my 90s bathrooms, but not the kitchen. Good luck!
  • 8 years ago
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    I like your cabinets, and I usually hate unpainted wood cabinets because they look boring...but yours are pretty. I agree the kitchen needs color. Change your little amber pendant out to a pendant in a color you love, and maybe some accessories...colorful chair pads? paint the dining set? I'm laughing about the popcorn ceilings, I just got rid of my last one...did them all ourselves but the kitchen and living room. I covered the floors and windows with plastic, scraped the ceiling off, rolled up the plastic and threw it all out, helped keep the mess down. When I ran out of plastic I used newspaper.


  • 8 years ago
    I like your kitchen and can empathize with you and your little voice. At this time of year, I’m going to suggest that you get a big bouquet of daffodils for your island. Maybe put them in one piece of your pottery. How about one of the bigger jars for the empty spot to the right of the stove for spatulas, wooden spoons, etc.? The colors of the pottery usually include yellow, as in your seating area, and blue. How about a cobalt blue light fixture instead of the amber? A beautiful clock for over the pantry? You’ve really got a great foundation to work with; I think you just need to find some perfect items and colors to put on the finishing touches. Once you’re happy with your kitchen, on to the bathrooms!
  • 8 years ago
    So how long do you plan on living here? Changing the cabinets will be a very big expense you’d be unlikely to see any return on. Only you know if it would be worth it to you!
  • 8 years ago

    OK, lots of great advice above, but just one more thing to add.

    I was looking back at your pics, and I think one reason your kitchen is a little blah, is the uniformity of the cabinets. There are sooo many uppers all lined up all nice and straight at the exact same height and depth. That's a lot of vertical maple rectangles.

    Could you have glass doors made for one or two of the cabinets, and fill with pretty glassware? You could add lighting inside that cabinet, and maybe (hidden) across the top of the cabinets, to wash light upward.

    Anyway, just a thought.

    Good luck!

  • 8 years ago

    your kitchen is nice but I hear what you're saying. I spend so much time at home and in my kitchen I want to just love it. this is what I would do:

    1. put glass in a few cabs

    2. change out the backsplash. the stone is nice, but it's boring and could be so pretty. OR display some pretty art or pottery.

    3. new light over sink

    4 new dining table( or table cloth would help too)

    5. window treatments for dining area.

    the basics are great, maybe you are just craving pretty?

    good luck

  • 8 years ago

    I think it's lovely. I like the pottery. I'd take it down and disperse around the house. I'm confused by the two buffet lights to the left of the fp pic. I think they distract. I'd do a cool floor lamp there so the person at the end of the sectional can read. Or you could try built ins on either side of the fp. Would be good to relocate the books and plastic bins, maybe just keep some of the fav books in a pretty basket if you like to read in this room. Great looking house!

  • 8 years ago

    I love your cabinets. I'd take them in a heartbeat-please don't paint them!

    Also, that voice? That voice needs to be smucked upside the head I think. I have that voice too. I do not like it. I think of Kronk's shoulder angels from Emperor's New Groove. Except mine aren't funny.

    I would do..a different wall color, different hardware (some sort of silverish, chrome, etc) look into some glass in a couple cabinets (that maybe you could put your pretties in that are on top of the cabinets or if you have pretty something or others to display), and a lighter counter.

  • 8 years ago

    I would not paint cabinets. Maybe paint the walls. I like the idea of adding a couple of glass doors, but glass doors or not I think you can do something fun with the space above the cabinets. Pick a color, maybe red and display a collection above the cabinets on the wall with the stove. You could also get some chair covers for the dining set to coordinate and a tablecloth. Change the glass pendant to match. I think you have a great kitchen but could use a little color.

  • 8 years ago

    Your pendent is fine. U can change the shade. I think a green/gray would be pretty in kitchen. Your cabinets are beautiful.

  • 8 years ago
    I feel your troll voice pain, really I do. My kitchen has high end traditional cabinets painted cream and antique-glazed. To me my cabinets just look beige-ish and I have this fantasy that I could have the doors replaced with the current Shaker style and the whole shebang painted a nice clean white. I can’t afford it, and I suspect neither can you. In the words of Elsa, let it go! Let it go!
  • 8 years ago
    Your cabinets are beautiful and the new parts blend seamlessly. If you had white painted cabinets, you would be in for a lot of extra cleaning and ongoing paint touch-ups. I kind of like the pendant over the sink... it caught my eye in a good way, but you could easily change the shade if it still bothers you. You could add a beefy crown moulding to the top of your cabinets, but honestly you have a really great space!
  • 8 years ago

    I'd spend the $ on an area rug for the LR and window treatments throughout. I think that would take your eye away from what bothers you about the kitchen.

  • 8 years ago

    My initial reaction to your kitchen is that the backsplash is the life-sucker, it looks like a gloomy sky. Change the backsplash to a white/cream that works with the granite. Go lighter and brighter with the wall color as well. Both the backsplash and wall color are pretty muddy, and I'm hearing that what you want is fresh and light.

    I agree a few glass doors would be nice, and nothing could be easier than getting the stuff off the top of the cabinets. You would be surprised at the difference some colorful accessories make! You need some colorful canisters, and even maybe some small appliances in terrific colors (Check out the Smeg electrics at Williams-Sonoma). I also love the pics rugs someone posted.

    I must tell you I am not usually a fan of maple cabinets, but yours really are very nice. I could not bring myself to paint them if they were mine, and my husband will tell you I always want to paint everything.

    Good luck!

    Nicole

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Ok, I will start by saying that I did not read any other comments so I apologize if I repeat someone else's opinion or step on toes. I love the maple cabinets, but I totally agree with you that they should go to the ceiling. Having your cabinet guy 'extend' them is a terrible idea though and a waste of space and resources. Get rid of the popcorn, you will ALWAYS hate it. Have him give you an estimate for all new uppers that go all the way up- maybe even in white! Keep the lowers. Change the lights- you need some character in there. If you want to ever tackle changing the floor, you could change the island shape or length or even do a peninsula instead. Keep us posted.

  • 8 years ago

    I would literally die for your kitchen! But I hear your pain.....but that said the kitchen is lovely and practical and is working for you.......Paint the ceiling and the kitchen for a more unified look and replace the lights to a more modern mood. If you really want to spend more then have glass faced cabinets made for the soffit area with lights. It will raise the ceiling and will give the kitchen a newer look.

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    On the other hand I would agree that the dining set is a bit cluttery looking....I would choose faux leather or fabric upholstered chairs in a fun color to modernized the look.


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    After that I would install floor to ceiling closed cabinets, maybe with frosted or reeded glass doors on either side of the fireplace. You could cut into the wall if you want them deeper, but they will hold a lot no matter what the depth.

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    When that is done then coordinate the three areas with a unifying color and a choice to two accents color so the area can be seen as one total designed room.....


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    Theses are just some inspiration ideas; I think you should work on coordinating the entire kitchen breakfast area and the great room.

    I like what you have done so far!

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    I think your natural cabinets are very nice.. but the new style for cabinets now is white. I think you should paint your cabinets white to make the room feel cleaner. I also think you should extend your cabinets, because there is no sense in letting dust collect up there... I also think that a fake marble or quartz countertop would look lovely with white cabinets. Then some decor that matches your stainless steel appliances.. Also you could put some fresh flowers on the counter.
  • PRO
    8 years ago
    Here is a picture of white cabinets. Of course this looks good because of the grey island contrasting with the quartz countertop.. But you could do this for your center island.
  • PRO
    8 years ago
    What style do you like?
  • 8 years ago

    I think some people didn't understand the "talk sense to me" part of this post. Here's the thing: Each of us gets an endless stream of messaging about how our houses, our cars, our bodies, our appearance aren't good enough, and that if only we spent $$$$ we would be better, happier, more fulfilled, and our lives would be like the pages of a magazine. It is not true. It is the messaging of industries that want to make a profit off of us, and don't really care whether we are happy or fulfilled.

    Your kitchen is lovely. It does not need fixing. Don't let HGTV or your internal troll tell you otherwise.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Nice transformation! Don't stress too much! You may want to consult with an interior designer- they have ways of transforming spaces with just adding some decor elements that you can easily change and mixup whenever you're in doubt or want a change you can reverse easily. With some new hardward and pops of color I can see the potential of a stylish fully finished home here!

  • 8 years ago

    Well said!

  • 8 years ago

    Listen to cawaps. S/he makes sense. :)

  • 5 years ago

    More light: Cheap way: lay an LED light tap strip atop your cabinets for under $100 (or 2 led ropes for under $25). Better: have proper lighting installed there and have your expert carpenter add a matching wood strip to hide it if needed.


    I assume installing a tubular skylight is out of the question since your "stairway" probably leads to a second story above the kitchen.


    I, also, vote for lightening the painted walls. (What's with all the brown and grey? Methinks your trolls are trying to poke you awake.)


    Anyway, DisasterMaster, it's 2 years later now... how's it going?