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Need White Rose Ideas

I have a long border in my backyard - it has giant lirope, clipped boxwood, spirea that blooms white, an arbor with climbing star jasmine [blooms white once a year, incredible perfume]. I am going to intersperce white roses in this all green border. I have 2 Sally Holmes that will go on either side of the arbor. I would appreciate suggestions for white roses other than hybrid teas or once bloomers. So far, I am thinking of Bolero [the floribunda] and Ducher. Would appreciate ideas on any other whites I can consider. Don't want anything that gets huge, like Prosperity or Penelope, but blooms a lot and will look good at night from my deck. It gets excellent sunlight most of the day. Also plan to intersperse white periwinkles in amongst the plants during summer - these bloom prolifically and are very heat tolerant. I don't grow many whites, only one I have is Pope Paul II so not up on the best whites to grow. Thanks for any suggestions.......

Judith

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  • 8 years ago

    Marie Pavie, Kosmos, Denise Cassegrain, White Pet, Nastarana, Setzer Noisette, Softee, White Licorice

  • 8 years ago

    Kronprinzessin Viktoria, Devoniensis

  • 8 years ago


    You might find inspiration in this thread. Your border sounds beautiful already.

  • 8 years ago
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    I agree, it sounds dreamy! Yvonne Rabier or Lindee are very pretty for smaller plants. Gruss an Aachen can also be white and is very prolific, but can show color sometimes. If you don't mind a single, the Tooth Fairy is very charming and light. However, if you can find it, The Aspirin Rose would be perfect!

  • 8 years ago
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    I don't grow these yet but three white roses on my list are Kordes Iceberg and Polar Express and Mlle de Sombreuil. I also think white hydrangeas and white azaleas are beautiful too. White is one of my favorite colors in the garden and I have often thought of having an all white bed but haven't done it yet, I think your fence row sounds beautiful, can't wait to hear what you decide to plant.

    I was also looking at ARE website and they have some beautiful white Pioneer roses and Yvonne Rabier and Madame Jospeh Swartz looked like beautiful white roses too.

  • 8 years ago

    Judith , your bed sounds so lovely ! I really love what you have going so far and wish I thought that brilliantly . I don't have any suggestions but I wanted to tell you I'm excited for you !

  • 8 years ago

    Have you considered Sugar Moon? The fragrance alone is amazing. I don't grow it yet, but it's on my order list for this year. I saw it last year at a vendor booth in St. Louis and it was amazing looking. Great presence! Unfortunately it was already sold, and the vendor had higher morals than I do and refused my offer of bribes...lol Your border idea sounds wonderful, best of luck with it!

  • 8 years ago
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    There are a lot of white roses out there, and just like in clothing, there are a lot of shades of white. Some are cream (I.e Lichfield Angel), some veer into yellow (I.e, Claire Austin which bloomed canary yellow for me, White Licorice, Polar Express), some tend towards pink (I.e. Bolero, Madame Alfred Carriere, Sally Holmes) and some are crisp paper white (I.e. Pope John Paul, Iceberg, Darlow's Enigma). Many, or even most, white roses develop pink tones in cool weather. Then there are roses that are predominantly white but have a bit of color towards the center (I.e. Crocus Rose) or at the edges (I.e. Leda, Hebe's Lip). And then of course there are the roses with pink or even red buds that open out white. Just something to keep in mind when you are choosing. Have fun deciding!

  • 8 years ago
  • 8 years ago

    I love white roses.

    Bermuda Spice? This rose started to grow and bloom the day it got here and hasn't stopped. Super healthy in my no spray garden. Blackspot is minimal, maybe even less than KO's (rust and mildew are nonstarters here). It does smell a little like black pepper. One of my favorites, it requires very little fussing and well deserves its earthkind designation.

    If a blush of color is OK, what about any of the SdlM clan? Someone else mentioned Kronprincessin Viktoria. I have Souvenir de St. Anne's and Mystic Beauty and would love to have them all if I could find the room. Fragrance alone is reason enough to include them. MB has fit well in my white bed, both color and size-wise, seeming to sacrifice size for blooming. These roses seem to look their best in my garden at dusk.

    Would little roses work? What about some polyanthas? Marie Pavie has been mentioned once or twice but I second or third that suggestion. Healthy, tolerant, charming flowers, productive, fragrant- what's not to love? There are others; Anna-Maria de Montravel, with bunches of fragrant little cup-shaped flowers and Charles Walker's Mignonette, bunches of fragrant tiny double buttons that blush pink in cool weather. If you want something a little bigger, what about Clothilde Soupert, a lovely full white that blushes pink in the center? It's a heavy bloomer for me and one of my most fragrant roses. (Check out the Long Ago photo on its HMF listing to see what's possible.) Or Lullaby? It's super fragrant (some say like carnations) with full white roses with a button eye. Mine blushes pink in cool weather.

    Then there are the teas. I'm running out of time but want to make one last suggestion. What about Faith Whittlesey, a modern (NOT hybrid) tea? It was new for me last year. I assumed that it was a small compact tea (you know what they say about 'assume') and I ended up moving it because it grew so much. It wanted to bloom all the way into December. The foliage was spic and span all season for me and the blooms were lovely- cool white, individual, with beautiful form. They blush pink a bit in cool weather. They don't have much fragrance most of the time- to me they have sort of a woodsy herbal smell, like an old tobacco shop. However, one cool fall morning I noticed a sweet fragrance, maybe a little like fruit. As a warning, this rose does not like cold wind. I suspect I'm on the edge of its growing range and have placed it in a sheltered sunny area. Even though you're a zone warmer than I am, I'd still recommend a spot sheltered from cold winter winds.


  • 8 years ago

    I love lots of white in the garden it breaks up all of my fuchsia colors lol .

    Your all white garden sounds magical

  • 8 years ago

    I was going to suggest Sugar Moon as it's one of my favorite blooms and fragrances, but it's a tall Hybrid Tea. Marcindy, don't hesitate to get one; just be aware it's probably not so great for a no-spray garden such as mine has been thus far, assuming BS pressure in Indy is somewhat similar to that here in Cincy.


  • 8 years ago

    I grow Marie Pavie & love her but I've been told that Marie Daly is even better. I also second Little White Pet, I have 6 of them!

  • 8 years ago

    Fair Bianca is a nice compact grower with a strong scent

  • 8 years ago

    White Gold is a good one, nice size, good re bloom. Has a hint of yellow sometimes. Also Tchaikovsky.

  • 8 years ago

    You all are the best! What marvelous choices you gave me! I have long wanted to do an all white bed, and this long border, with the "bones" already in shades of green, with a weathered fence behind it, just seems like a natural. It faces my long deck so might really be striking at night with a lot of white. At this moment [plans can change of course] I want all kinds of white, but hope to stay with the milky white color that will show up at nite. I looked at Sugar Moon last nite while perusing Chamblee's catalog. I am 2 hours from there - always up for another trip there! I read somewhere that Sugar Moon was a shrub - or grew like one. I love the pure white on that one. I would like full blooms, miniatures like Ducher, Marie Daly, Marie Pavie in front, then other taller ones. All this interspersed with the giant lirope, white blooming -in - spring spirea, clipped boxwood. Will send photos later on. I am going to make a list of all these wonderful suggestions and do a bit of research. As we get hot in summer and the bed is in mostly full sun, white/white eye periwinkles will be my annual of choice to add. Maybe white angelonia. Haven always wanted to try Kronprincessin Viktoria - maybe now is the time. Lions Fairy Tale, Bolero look interesting also. I think with all these great ideas - I can put in tall, medium and short roses in a mix to add a lot of white and interesting texture. Have any of you done a white garden? Maybe add some lamb's ear.....Vita Sackville-West's white garden has always intrigued me....where the long border curves around a concrete patio is my pink bed....nothing but pink roses are being planted - this isn't done yet. Going to edge with daylilies here. Lots of work to be done, but the beds are already made so just need planting. Vita used white, gray, green in her garden. Pictures on google are so lovely! Thank you all for so many wonderful suggestions - The only climbers I have are 2 Sally Holmes. I do have a Sombreuil that I was going to plant on my front fence but may let it climb on the weathered fence.....Don't really know of many white climbers except for Cl. Iceberg. Cant do this now, but an all white/lavender/purple bed intrigues me......adding purple salvia, purple angelonia. That is a project for another day.....

    Judith

  • 8 years ago

    You garden sounds so lovely. I'm eager to see it. I've always wanted to do something like that. I've been searching for years to find the perfect white rose for this climate, but I still haven't found it. I had to settle for pink. Of course if I do find that perfect white rose, I'll have become so attached to what I have I won't be able to replace them. I'll have to live vicariously, so I'm looking forward to seeing your results.

  • 8 years ago

    Will be so pretty!! Check out Nicotiana - the big white fragrant one - Swallowtail has the seeds available

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    Marie Pavie, Kronprinzessin Viktoria, Bolero, Earth Angel (most of the year here it looks white or white with blush), Madame Anisette (sorry H.T. and unsure about the mature size), White Pet. Snowbird has a beautiful strong fragrance, but could get up to 6'. Mine is only 2 years old and is still under 2'.

    Btw, your plan seems like you have the makings of a very lovely garden! :)

  • 8 years ago

    I would consider First Crush a white, but mine is too young to know it's growth habit.

  • 8 years ago

    I like the mini Gourmet Popcorn combined with larger roses.

  • 8 years ago

    I love all the suggestions! I will be stopping by Chamblees next weekend and they have some of these roses that I am going to pick up.....I want a combination of taller, medium height and shorter, as well as different kinds of blooms - i.e. polyantha, shrub, floribunda. Probably not going to use any hybrid teas[but Sugar Moon sounds interesting] as I want a bunch of blooms. I have a potted Coles Settlement from ARE that should do well for the background, 2 Sally Holmes that will go on the arbor. Don't have to do it all at once. But want lots of blooms that will come in flushes, making a lot of white. Will do photos when I get it going!

    Judith

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    Desdemona supposedly has good repeat. I moved Earth Angel to front yard container to make space for Desdemona.

  • 8 years ago

    Sugar Moon is a really good white rose here. It gets quite tall. I was wanting to ask you this question. Do you know how the floribunda French Lace does in your area? It is such a pretty variety and has a smaller, bushy habit of growth. If it does well, you might want to latch onto that one.

  • 8 years ago

    Glad you mentioned French Lace. I grew it years ago at another home - color was lovely. That would look pretty in front border. Am needing to split some giant lirope, intersperse some trimmed boxwoods - I think the whites will look wonderful against the green........

  • 8 years ago

    I vote for Bolero, very strong scent and long last. You check out Alaska from Kordes, but it's sort of lanky in my hot climate, not sure about yours.

  • 8 years ago

    I 2nd Bolero

  • 8 years ago

    This is one I have heard nothing but good about. Where is the best place to order it?

  • 8 years ago

    I got a very nice one from ARE.

  • 8 years ago

    Bolero is amazing!!!

  • 8 years ago

    I thought I was ordering bolero last year. But it some random Bush

    Bolero is on its way hopefully this time it's the right one. Can't wait to see what my surprise plant actually is

    If it is a dud than that opens up a new spot for mother of pearl

  • 8 years ago
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    I have faded pink monthly, which is speculated to be a larger growing version of marie Pavic and it does well. Blooms consistently through the season. It does get pink tones in winter.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you Lily! Excited to hear ARE has Bolero! Wish they would have another free shipping special - I am 3 hours away, and want to go when bluebonnets are in bloom. I will get one for sure then - that's about 3 week/month away. If I can wait that long and don't end up ordering one - and they come 4 to a box, so I will have to pick out 3 more!! Old Baylor is a big white shrub - might get too large. I was looking at the area this morning....cant wait to get started on it!

    Judith

  • 8 years ago

    Went to visit my Navy son who lives near Dallas this weekend, he is in on leave. I went back by way of Tyler and guess where I ended up on the way home - Chamblees! I stuffed about 10 roses in the trunk of my car - picked up some whites to try: Lion's Fairy Tale, Ducher, Icecap [a Radler], Innocencia Vigorosa, Sugar Moon and Polar Express. Sugar Moon is in a 1 gallon pot and I think needs to be repotted and grown out more. This looks like an interesting start! I still want Bolero, so going to see about an order for ARE. Is anyone familiar with any of these roses? Read about them on HMFand all sound good. Also picked up Mme. Antoine Mari in the sale bin for $2.50 and got Perle d'Or and Sunny Sky. I have a potted Penelope but that might get too large for the area.

    I am meeting my son in Tyler Monday to have lunch [that is half way traveling for us both] and that will be the last I see of him until December as he will be on a tour of duty. So.....to boost my mood, am going back to Chamblees after we part. This is pretty much all the whites they have - Kosmos and La Perla weren't out for sale. I am sure I can find something else to bring home! Now I can get a start on this bed!!

    Judith

  • 8 years ago

    ducher without a doubt such a beautiful rose plant and bloom and very healthy

  • 8 years ago

    Good for you Judith! I visited Chamblees three weeks ago and couldn’t believe all the roses for 2.50 & $5. I saw a bunch of La Perla in the sale house

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    Anyone that wants Bolero I suggest looking at Fresh Garden Living on Etsy or Stargazerer Perennials on Amazon. Both have already been posted her but thought I would throw it out here again.

  • 8 years ago

    RUL has both Boleros. If you don't specify which one you want she sends the more recent floribunda which I believe is what most others have and are talking about. There was a thread about the confusion last year. I think Moses was looking for the older HT for comparison. Not sure if he ever found it.