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More help for my floundering Shiranui

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

Two months ago you all helped when the leaves on my Shiranui began to fall. Discovered that I wasn't reading my skewers quite right as the plant was very dry. Gave a good soaking and all seemed OK. A few weeks ago I left town with watering instructions for my husband. To be "helpful" he watered all my plants TWICE the amount I gave him instructions to. All the plants did OK except for the Shiranui. It's leaves started to turn yellow from the tips downward. I assumed that it was from the overwatering but now I'm not sure at all. Take a look at the pictures and see what you think. Now the tips are beginning to turn brown. The soil still feels moist at knuckle depth even though I last watered a week ago.

Every plant is in great health including the ones immediately surrounding it. The tree is 3.5' from the light, some healthy trees are closer, some further away. It's in 5:1:1 and drains nicely. Room temp is a constant 86*, humidity 45*. Soil temp 72*, fans blowing constantly, heater and dehumidifier sets to keep within range. I feed Jack's 25-5-15, one TBSP/2gallons rainwater every other watering and Osmocote Plus. No pests noted but neem sprayed every 6 weeks.

The sparse Shiranui is in the container in the middle of the photo

One thing that offsets the distress over the Shiranui.

Nancy

Comments (31)

  • 8 years ago
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    Are you overfeeding this poor tree? If you just transplant this tree you don't feed for a couple of weeks. When you repot a tree the roots has to get use to a new environment, the feeder roots need to attach first before it could uptake nourishment . Roots do not drink water like you do, it's more like vapor.

    Btw, i like your Plumeria, nice colour, mine is just a common one.

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  • 8 years ago
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    Bob, I don't think I'm overfeeding although it sure looks like it. I gave it a drink of my usual 1 TBSP/2 gal 4 weeks after I transplanted just like the rest of my citrus and no one else is having the problem. But who knows, it may just not have liked that.

    The plumeria is Toba's Fire- I have 27 more plumeria. They really are a joy.

  • 8 years ago

    Nancy

    I am amazed at you growing abilities. I bring my citrus trees in as late as I can and hope for an early spring to get them outside before they are plagued with problems. Your trees never go outside and they look good.

    Steve

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  • 8 years ago

    Osmocote plus is a control timed fertilizer that last at least a couple of months that coupled with 86* and 45 humidity is a little bit much.This forum is full of guru's so help is on the way, than there is as always Steve. Sorry not much help, Bob.

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  • 8 years ago

    Steve- that's quite a compliment. Thank you very much. And it's you who get the accolades for your ingenious lighting and growing abilities.

    Thanks Bob. if it is overfertilizing would it help if I took it outside and flooded it with water? I won't do it until I hear from others.

  • 8 years ago
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    Nancy I don't know what to tell you on this. If you flood it with water you will wash out a lot of the feed in your pot. If you have to much food you will correct the problem. If your tee is food fine then it will be lower than optimal but it should not hurt. When your tree buds out you will start feeding it. I like the weekly weakly of instant feed. After a week it is time to feed again with much less worry of what is remaining in slow release. It is also hard to over feed a citrus tree. I would wait till more people chime in.

    My NZL was doing fantastic gave 4 lemons then about died for no reason.

    at its best

    Top half dead other limbs loosing leaves.

    Just a few leaves left and 3/4 of the tree gone.

    One leaf left but I do have buds.

    still have 1 old leaf.

    In the picture above you see a vacuum cleaner pulling air through the roots through the holes in the bottom of the bucket. This allowed me to over water and pull fresh air into the root. There were no holes in the bucket's bottom and I had root rot over 3/4 of my roots. There always seems to be something creeping around the corner to cause harm to our trees. Your problem might be very unexpected to. I wish you the best for your tree.

  • 8 years ago

    Steve- I just LOVE your R2D2!

    So sorry about your NZL :-( Know that you were so excited when you got it and then it produced so nicely. I'm learning that you're right about these trees just pulling scary tricks on us for no easily apparent reason. Have to add that this developed yellowing leaves at first and then the brown started, I don't know if it matters, but I just assumed initially that it was overwatered. I will wait for some more input before acting. Thanks so much.

  • 8 years ago

    When my trees are overwater, the leaves quickly curve downward and get very bumpy, but maintain their color. Over time, the leaves turn yellow and they fall off one by one.

    You can see the old and damaged leaves with the wrinkled and twisty appearance here (as the new baby leaves are already growing back - it took a few months for all the leaves to drop). One is even starting to turn yellow on the right.

    Your leaves don’t look like that. I would guess it’s a nutritional issue and not overwatering. I’m sorry I don’t have a more specific answer, but it looks nothing like my overwatering issue.

  • 8 years ago

    Magnesium deficiency?

  • 8 years ago
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    What a beautiful Plumeria!!! It obvious you are providing plenty of light for everything at least. So that's is not the cause.

  • 8 years ago
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    Petunia, you can flush only if you know you have a fast draining media. Leave a big saucer underneath to catch your fertilized water if you so wish. Normally if your roots are disturb the tree usely go in a semy dormancy state, the soil is enough for the tree to survive. Good luck!

    Just don't forget when you use 5-1-1 the pine bark need to old, not from the bag you just bought. The way i do pinebark i buy mine in the fall and dump mine in a large garbage barrel watered it and also dumb a coffee can of gypsum and grass fertilizer like urea, this will softened (rot) it for the following spring use. Most growers use too big of bark pieces.

    Mind you this is what i do. Members usely frown the way i do my stuff. JUST watch.

  • 8 years ago

    Alanna- thank you. I'm becoming convinced that it's not an overwatering issue as you say. Thanks for your input:-)

    Vlad- the only problem with a potential mg deficiency is that the baby leaves just starting to open are turning brown and dying fast. Would that happen with mg deficiency? The more I look the more I think that it just may be over fertilized. I'll probably put some Epsom salt (is that the cure?) on it whatever I end up doing.

    Bob- I'll wait for a few more answers and see what others say. If I don't get any answer that sounds promising guess I'll bring it outside and flood it with rainwater. Will elevate it so it drains as best it can, although it's in 5-1-1 so it should not be a problem.

    What would you think if I repot it again?

    The other thing I could do is nothing and see what happens I guess :-(

  • 8 years ago

    Petuniafish, I'm here....lol Think you missed my comment entirely!

  • 8 years ago

    Mike- I'm so sorry! And yours was so kind. Thanks for the compliment. Plumerias are like citrus, they give back so much :-)

  • 8 years ago
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    No,just flush nothing else, just a couple of times. Now just wait don't do anything else.

  • 8 years ago

    Nancy, I would flush the roots as per Bob's advice. Was it sitting in water for too long at some point? Or is it rootbound? I had browning of leaves with my very rootbound tree once.

  • 8 years ago

    Flushing the tree is going to be my plan of attack I guess.

    Sunshine, the tree is elevated on bricks so it doesn't have to sit in water. And it's definitely not rootbound because I got it in November and repotted same month. Sure wish it was rootbound as there'd be something I could do to surely help it.

    Thanks :-)

  • 8 years ago

    Jeeeeeez. Now the tangelo next to it is having similar symptoms. Arghhh. I'll post pics later. But I did flush the Shiranui and put some epsom salt on it.

    Having trouble. Hate to add this but my dog is dying. He was just diagnosed with lymphoma last week and started chemo but he's not responding. I would never let him be in pain and suffer but it's like a hospice here. He's a lab and only 10. I won't say anymore about it- I know this forum is not a support team but had to mention as I'm at the point where I'm concerned about the trees but also don't give a d*** too.

    :(

  • 8 years ago

    Nancy, I know how you feel. We lost my dear dog, Louie, this last August to lung cancer. He suffered for weeks even with the chemo. I was glad but oh so sad when he finally died quietly under my desk as I sat there working on my laptop. I never loved an animal as much as I loved him. My eyes tear as I write.

  • 8 years ago

    Nancy and Vlad,

    I’m sorry sorry for you. I know it’s heartbreaking losing a dog. My father refuses to get another after watching all of ours age and pass. It makes our citrus trees seem less urgent for sure.

    I did want to mention one thing. The sudden decline of your shiranui concerns me. You said it was completely fine before you went away and now it’s dropped a bunch of leaves all within a week. If the tree next store is also having the same issue, I’d reconsider bugs of some sort. I never had proof, but I suspected I had mild spider mites. My tiniest Meyers leaves were doing exactly want yours look like. It only has 3 left now. I didn’t see any obvious evidence, but when I rubbed my finger on the underside it felt like there was a very fine sand. I figured it must be some sort of critter. I regularly wiped with alcohol and sprayed with HO, but the leaves still dropped. It has some new growth, so I’m hoping for recovery. I just hate when I can’t figure out what caused the problem in the first place.

    The reason I bring it up is because my experience with nutritional issues happened over time and not rapidly.

    Any one else have thoughts on this?

  • 8 years ago
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    So sad to hear about your pets, Nancy and Vladimir!

  • 8 years ago

    Nancy, Vladimir my heart goes out to you both . It's so hard loosing our little companions and all that unconditional love :( ♡♡♡♡

    Brian

  • 8 years ago

    Vlad, Brian, Sunshine, Alanna and everyone.

    Thank you so much. I didn't mean to even mention that, but I'm fortunate to have a problem here in some ways because it's a good distraction. And then I get mad about having a problem! Vlad my heart goes out to you. I tear up too just picturing your sweet doggie under your desk. Louie sure knew he was loved. Our dogs truly bless us everyday they are with us.

    Alanna, I'm 100% certain that it's not spider mites. I looked at both plants, actually looked at all the plants in the room, felt them slowly and carefully, and inspected them carefully with a magnifying glass. Nada. Infact I'm pretty darn sure there aren't any pests anywhere.

    So including a picture of the tangelo that seems affected. The leaves are at the very top of the tree, over my head, all the largest leaves. Maybe it is a Mg deficiency? Bob, Vlad, Sunshine, Brian, Alanna, Steve, Mike? Anyone?

    Thanks.....Nancy



  • 8 years ago

    Nancy, I am thinking it may not be a magnesium deficiency because I do not think that would cause leaf drop but I may be wrong. The only other thing I can think of is that it is a root problem in which case you may want to pull it out of the container and check the roots and soil. Or it may be both: magnesium deficiency and a root problem.

  • 8 years ago

    Thanks Vlad. I should have mentioned that neither tree is or was dropping leaves. I pulled this last leaf because it was too high for me to get a good pic. I agree with you. Going to have to examine the roots. It's weird that both these trees are my largest and both came from Harris Nursery, and the only ones that seem to be affected. Sure don't want to lose them. Thanks again.

  • 8 years ago

    Hi Kcanmilo- very sorry about your dogs impending surgery. You and your doggie will be in my thoughts. Please let me know how it goes. Sending you both hugs.

    Had to put my doggie Sam down this morning. He still wanted to play catch with me so badly even though he was obviously in pain. Our vet came to the house and it was very peaceful, but have a big ache in my heart. Dogs are one of the great gifts in our universe.

    Nancy

  • 8 years ago

    Nancy, I am so sorry to hear about your loss. Dogs are such wonderful gifts, you are right.

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    Nancy so so sorry it's one of if not the hardest thing to ever do . I cannot give you a big hug but I can give lot's of ♡♡♡♡♡. So sorry.

    Brian

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  • 8 years ago

    Nancy that’s heartbreaking news, vlad so sorry for your loss. I couldn’t imagine losing our beloved fur babies. My prayers go out to you Nancy.


    jan

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  • 8 years ago

    Thanks so much Jan, Brian and Hibiscus- everyone. Helps knowing others care. I miss him so much.