I have no idea if it was used as rootstock, but could it be Crimson Rambler? It was massively popular before the turn of the century, you see it splashed all over advertisements of the time.

I hope Jeri or Anita or Paul sees this. I'm sure they will know.

De la grifferaie?

There were lots of different root stocks used over different times and places. "Ragged Robin" (thought to be 'Gloire des Rosomanes') is red. Look it up on Help Me Find Roses and look at all of the pictures and see what you think. It is a repeat bloomer semi-double, which does great in warm climates.

Jackie

De la Grifferaie is a beautiful poiple. One of the loveliest roses. (But not red.) See: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.1468.1

IXL is another interesting rootstock. Not remontant.

Gloire de Rosomanes (Ragged Robin) was widely used as a rootstock, and so it is found often in NoCal (and even SoCal).

But note that it is very much remontant. Not a once-blooming rambler.

OTOH, the rose you found may actually be a rambler, and not rootstock at all.
Alternatively, if it IS rootstock, it could be something used locally for that purpose, but not always.

What Jeri said. MANY different roses have been used for stocks and quite a few have been used locally in many places. Whether it's one which has been used nationally by a major producer or locally by a nursery in the area, who can say? Unless it turns out to be Huey or some other known nationally used stock. When you've found them in cemeteries, are you sure they were surviving stocks and not the remnants of something actually planted for itself? We often forget that the roses used for commercial stocks were all (and are) commercially available as varieties and sold for garden use prior to their being utilized for production.

My own Gloire de Rosomanes (the one I posted photos of) was collected at the site of a home that was built circa 1880, and burned to the ground in the 1950's. From other plants found there, it was a pretty sure bet that there had been an extensive garden there, probably in the 19th Century. My plant could have been rootstock, or could have been planted as a garden rose. It's certainly one of the best here.

But it doesn't have a climbing or rambling habit. It's dense and upright. As was the mother plant.

Kim -- When we've found RR in cemeteries, it's my guess that the were rootstock. Some in SoCal are virused, so it's my GUESSS that they were rootstock.
The one I'm growing -- you know where I found that . . . I think it could have been planted there when it was new and exciting.

Yes ma'am, I do. It could easily have been either a stock set free or a garden variety planting. GdR has never really fallen out of commerce since it was introduced in 1825. It appeared on most of the old nursery lists of the Nineteenth Century and was available from Armstrong Roses in their national catalog through the late 1970s. It was a popular "hedge rose" through the middle of the last Century and was the reason Ralph Moore released Pink Clouds in 1957 to compete against it. They were the original "Simplicity" roses, decades before Simplicity was created. Ironically, anything that makes a large, vigorous hedge is generally suitable for stock use, too. (We need another jaunt up there, BTW...)

Yes, because things continue to disappear. When we first went there, there were some huge, vigorous La Marnes -- those have been gone for years. I'd really also like to go to the California Nursery Co., up in Niles.

So would I!

Well, let's plan for that.

Let me know when and I'm there!

The plot I saw it growing on was dated some time around the turn of the century.

How much of the plant was there? Did you get any photos?

Kim -- I'm thinking of around CoOR, when we'll be going that way anyhow.

I searched some indexes on line and Here’s the other similar rose I saw 1888 is the date of the main marker on the plot the other is 1859-1940 and 1848-1945. Perhaps it might be heuy.

So, what is there now? Beside the rose, I mean?

The rose I collected from is growing along a ditch next to an empty lot along a highway. there was once a small schoolhouse on the property but it burned I believe in the late 60’s early 70’s and then was used for a small high school. The original owner wanted the ground to be used for a school or he would take it back over.

Jerijen and Roseseek, if the timing works out well, I would love to join you on your jaunt. I've never gone on such an expedition, and I really would love to one day. Do let me know when you are thinking about it. Jeri, I think you have my email address.

Rosefolly

Will do Folly!

GardenNut:
Could what you saw be this?

Because this is something you'll find in most of the old NoCal cemeteries. It's "Old Red Runaround": http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.3864.2

A Gallica or (more likely) Hybrid China.