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Planning small rose patch. need help with choosing roses

8 years ago

Hi there. I posted this Q already but there was a system bug...

i am planning rose garden and want some advice. Here is the simple plan of that part of our garden.

i dont know which roses to put where. Can you please advise?

1. Should i put red-yellow-salmon colored roses together on one side, and all pink on the other? Or will it be better to have similar colored roses on both sides of the entrance? If so which ones? Entrance is in between 2 rose patches. This 4 entrance roses are tricky so i really need advise here...

2. Where to put Grafin Diana? it is dark colored so maybe more to the side?

3. I have many light pink roses. Should i plant them all together? or better to have other colors in between?

I have *all names are European

- Grafin Diana from Kordes

- Walfergange from Lens

- Lavagut from Kordes,

- Parole from Kordes

- Souvenir de Baden Baden from Kordes

- Elisa from Kordes

- Limona from Kordes

- Boticelli from Meilland

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Comments (9)

  • 8 years ago

    Nice roses!! I would mix them up myself, but if you are going for a more formal look that may not work for you :). Hopefully someone else will chime in!

  • 8 years ago
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    Bernik,

    It is difficult giving advice on rose varieties. It is such a subjective, personal decision only you can make. That is why I believe Roses Forum members are hesitant to respond to your question.

    Do you require all exceptionally fragrant roses? Do you want classic hybrid tea exhibition form blooms, more casual blooms in sprays, or the cupped and quartered Austin rose bloom look?

    Bloom colors, bush sizes, growth characteristics (arching, columnar, spreading....), ...are all traits you must decide upon yourself.

    There is one bit of advice i will give you that will make your care of your roses go a lot easier. It is to grow disease resistant roses. This holds true especially if you would like to grow your roses organically.

    One way of accomplishing this is to do a thorough research on every variety that interests you, to determine how much 'babying,' it may need to keep it in top condition.

    Choose only the ones that require minimal/no insect and disease control care

    The ADR awarded roses, many of which are Kordes roses, have been tested to thrive without disease or winter protection. They essentially are bulletproof, ideal garden roses.

    There are ADR winning roses from other breeders than Kordes. A list of them is found on Wikipedia.

    Insect issues may be present with ADR winners. Insect resistance is very difficult to breed for. However disease resistance, especially to the dreaded black spot and powdery mildew, among ADR roses is exceptional.....essentially no spray roses for disease.

    Grafin Diana, Limona, and Souvenir de Baden Baden are all ADR winners, great choices for you. Your beds comprised of these three would be spectacular! All three of these hybrid tea bushes will have somewhat upright, elegant presentations of their blooms in your beds. The colors will complement each other richly.

    Grafin Diana is very fragrant. I had Grafin Diana, but the particular bush I had did not thrive for me. I believe it was more that the bush was diseased from the grower not the variety itself. I plan to acquire Grafin Diana from another source and try again. So many people give glowing reports about GD that it would be foolish for me not to try again.

    Souvenir de Baden Baden, moderately fragrant to some noses, strongly to others. I class its fragrance between moderate and strong. It is vigorous, blooms abundantly, and I find it an indispensable, much beloved rose!

    I do not have Limona. From its press, it looks great.

    Moses

  • 8 years ago
    @moses. Thank you for such a detailed answer. You are right the questions i have are not the simplest to answer. That is why i hesitate with decision for the second week.
    Disease resistance was one of my criteria for choosing roses. That is why many of them are from Kordes.
    About the look i am into more classic one. There is a pic that i have from houzz below. This is what i want ideally.
    Your suggestion about combination of Graffin Diana, Souvenir and Limona is actually good one. I wouldnt think about it but now i actually consider doing it.
    I also dont know much about Limona, but in color it combines beautifully with Graffin Diana , which i adore!
    Actually the biggest problem to combine is Parole and Eliza as they are so similar in color. But i am thinking on planting them really close so it will look like same bush with gradient pink flowers :)
    Another way is put Parole, Eliza and Walfergange in a triangle planting with side of 40 cm and creat this abundance of pink color.
  • 8 years ago

    Bernik

    I cannot think of a better plan than yours. You will have stately rose bushes with flowers held upright, at attention. Hybrid teas are always attention getters, and with the new introductions being disease resistant to the point of essentially not needing spraying for disease as the older hybrid teas required, is a tremendous blessing to those who like the elegant form of a hybrid tea bloom.

    Planting two different varieties with close colors togetherx as you plan to do, I believe will work very well.

    I wish you success in your project. Keep us posted at this forum on your progress.

    Moses

  • 8 years ago

    Hi Bernik! You found Dark Desire / Grafin Diana to match your favorite lipstick! I’m so glad. :-)

    You have great advice here already. Here’s my thoughts...

    I love my Dark Desire / Grafin Diana, but it doesn’t seem to repeat as fast as others might. Probably because each bloom is so spectacular, it takes a lot of energy. Your rose choices are wonderful. They will all look fabulous. I would put the four roses that have the reputation of repeating the fastest and blooming the most in your area at the entrance since they will draw you into the garden.

    Are you planning on using boxwood around the roses like in your inspiration photo? Maybe use a boxwood alternative instead because of boxwood blight? Here’s a quick read on it... https://www.gardenista.com/posts/how-to-eliminate-boxwood-blight-plant-a-different-shrub/amp/

    Hope to see your new garden in full bloom as it grows! :-)

  • 8 years ago
    Cori Ann, yes the advice on this forum is spectacular! I am so thankful i can talk to someone who appreciates roses as much as i do! As for the rose i have very high expectations Graffin Diana. I hope it also performs.
    For now i will not put any box although i looove the look. But i will need to invest in buying a lot of them so maybe next year.
    Another alternative is to put salvia to increase the disease resistance. We have quite a lot of fog here in Ljubljana so even ADR roses can catch some blackspot. I have red that salvia is helping with natural resistance. (It is a big surprise for me that david austin climber that i have doesnt suffer at all..)
    On the other hand who knows? We just bought this property and the garden have more sun then my previous one...
    Anyway thank you for advice. Now we need to wait so i can post my results.
    Thank you to everyone who commented! You are so helpful, every piece of advice is highly appreciated.
  • 8 years ago
    @Rebecca thank you for your lovely pictures. I printed all of the pictures in color and it really helps me with planning. So great tip. Thank you again!
  • 8 years ago

    I like mixing colors but the ultimate deciding point in my beds is height.