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Gap between quartz countertop and cabinets

8 years ago
Our countertops were installed today. We were pretty pleased until we noticed the gaps and shims. Not only is it unsightly, we’re worried about structural support of our pricey quartz! We took our laminate counters off ourselves and there was only 1 shim under that. Is this normal?

Comments (19)

  • 8 years ago
    More pics.
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    There is nothing wrong with the use of shims. Caulk it and forget it, please.

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    If you put new counters on old cabinets, have them add shims and caulk the gap with a color that is close to the cabinets. Or pull the tops, pull the cabinets and install them correctly.

    Laminate counters will flex to the cabinets without cracking (within reason). Quartz, stone, solid surface will not.

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    QSCCRE:

    The next time you post to make a point, please make sure your documentation supports your premise. Your illustrations do not; nowhere do they specifically prohibit shimming. If fact, the illustrations make my point that tops must be placed on flat surfaces. Thanks for making it for me.

    Anyone who doesn't use shims to install tops hasn't installed many. You could have dead level and flat cabinets and still need shims to compensate for differences in material thicknesses. Go do a few more jobs and get back to us, please. I'm certain you'll agree.

  • 8 years ago
    But shouldn’t the installers have caulked it? That doesn’t look professional..
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Their job is to set tops, not decide whether or not other's mistakes should be covered by caulk or matching wood trim. Drag that cabinet installer back out on a no-pay call back and I'll bet his tops go in level and flat the next time.

  • 8 years ago

    On the bright side, if you don't notice the gaps, the counters look great with the classic oak.

    Once you're sure it's installed correctly (I won't step into that one), don't worry too much about the gap except where it can actually be seen by (adult sized) people when standing or from any seating areas.

  • 8 years ago

    Tracy, the cabinets look so pretty! Can you share some info about how you stained them?

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    QSCRE - Why are there so many references to shims (including listing them in "installation tools") if you aren't supposed to use shims? I am confused.

  • 8 years ago
    Cyc2001. Chemically stripped and sanded to bare wood. Stained with Old Master’s espresso gel stain and sealed with 2 to 3 coats of Old Master’s super varnish.
  • 8 years ago

    Tracy, I'd trust Joseph's analysis.

  • 8 years ago

    I work with a company that installs granite and quartz every day. The right way to level cabinets is to uninstall the low cabinets and raise them up, shim them, until they're level with the others. To shim the cabinet tops voids most warranties and is sloppy and lazy. You can tell from the photo that they're shimming with little silicone furniture pads you get from Lowes. If I'm going to spend $3k+ on quartz countertops I want to know they're installed correctly.

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    notapundit yeah someone who know what they are doing

    I don't not see any reference to any shims, and the photo definitely show no gaps. Also the current installation manuals all state the surface is to be free from objects etc.

    If you doubt the information ring on of the major quartz manufactures like Silestone and ask there technical department that looks after the warranties. That if you used shims would it void the warranty? The answer will be YES!

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    And stone slabs and quartz tops are always perfectly flat, and the same thickness? Of course the answer is no.

    Even a great cabinet install isn't perfect, the cabinets themselves are not perfect. And even if the cabinets aren't level, are countertop installers are suppose to reset cabinets? No, if it's bad enough they should stop and explain what needs to happen for them to install their tops. Even a great counter install isn't perfect.

    I've never seen an countertop install that didn't have a shim somewhere. Anyone who says that they install counters with no shims ever, is a telling a story.

  • 8 years ago
    Our quartz is man MSI product. This is their installation quire. I see no mention of shims. Guess that leaves it in the installer’s hands. https://www.msistone.com/download/Quartz-Installation-Guidelines.pdf
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Tracy Lathrom yes it would have to be the most lacking installation and fabrication guide we have seen from any quartz manufacturer but best practices do come into play.

    https://www.msistone.com/quartz-countertops/quartz-resources-downloads/  is where all the docs are kept



  • 8 years ago
    After reading all this, now I am also worried about the front to back support every 24”. I have 62” of peninsula there and they didn’t address that at all. I’m not talking about the overhang. That part is fine.
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