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Under cabinet lighting - Guide me please!

8 years ago

Our cabinet designer was to originally design, order, and install our under cabinet lighting, however, they are no longer doing so. I've moved beyond my frustration and am ready to be educated in how to best go about the task at hand. All advice appreciated!

Function and Features

1. Using our current overhead lighting. Just need under cabinet.

2. Wall cabinets include: two 24" cabinets and a corner 36x36" cabinet

3. Function: Task lighting for aging eyes, ambience lighting too.

4. Features: Dimmers, hardwiring, warm light. Note our home is historic and our kitchen has a traditional vibe. I don't want a sleek, cold, or harsh effect.

5. Price: It is a small space and I am ok with paying what is needed for quality lighting.


Who and What?

1. Do we go to a good lighting supply store and have the sales people help us "design" this and select the correct products, brands? (Perhaps a place like this in the Philly area.) I know there are designers that do just lighting but am I correct to assume no designer is going to want to take a job for about 120" of under cabinet lighting?

2. We do not want the fixture to be visible. We have table seating in our kitchen and I don't want to look at the cabinets from a seating position and see a bunch of fixtures beneath. Cabinet designer said they would create a flat surface on the underside of our cabinet with a niched out area for the lighting to be inserted. Is this the right thing to do? Does the lighting vendor talk to our cabinet designer to get the correct dimensions for how the cabinet should be built to accommodate the lights, or is this a very standard thing and whatever the cabinet maker creates should accommodate our needs?

3. What kinds of lighting are best for our needs? LED or something else? If the lights are recessed into the underneath side of the cabinet, does that reduce the area on which they cast light?

Thanks for your help!

Comments (29)

  • 8 years ago

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  • 8 years ago
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    I just installed LED tape lighting under my cabinets and I really like the amount of light they give off. Be sure to get a warmer light like a 2700k or 3000k, nothing higher. The tapes will be about the least visible.

    Kendrah thanked cpartist
  • 8 years ago

    Cpartist - Is the LED tape hardwired? Also, is it recessed into a space under the cabinet or just attached to the flat surface of the underside of the cabinet? If you want to post any pics, I'd love to see!

  • 8 years ago
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    I installed these LED bars - they are a cool white - at least 4000k I believe. I don't care for the warm color leds so these were perfect. (They offer a warm white 2700k model as well. ) Very easy to install.

    https://www.amazon.com/LED-Concepts-Cabinet-Closet-Linkable/dp/B01CIWLEM0/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1

    They are pretty much hidden under the cabinet - you don't see them at all unless you peek under.

  • 8 years ago

    If you have an electrician on the project, I would just have them install some lighting to your specifications. I personally don't like tape (looks ghetto and really should be installed with heatsink but often isn't), cheap LED strips. Mine are traditional formfactor but LED, dimmable and vary in length. Don't know the name but my electrician did them, as well as the smart dimmer switch (Alexa enabled).

  • 8 years ago

    I personally don't like tape (looks ghetto and really should be installed with heatsink but often isn't), cheap LED strips

    That's your opinion and a rather rude one considering how many folks here probably have the tapes that look "ghetto".

  • 8 years ago
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    I don't have a picture. I'll try and get one tomorrow.

    Cpartist - Is the LED tape hardwired? Also, is it recessed into a space under the cabinet or just attached to the flat surface of the underside of the cabinet?

    Yes it's hardwired. Not recessed. Attached to the flat surface.

  • 8 years ago

    cpartist You beat me to it. I read that comment and said "Seriously?!?!". Sheesh.

  • 8 years ago

    Geez... just call me ghetto too then because I have slim line fluorescent lighting under my cabinets and love the soft lighting they put off and they do not show. I could afford to purchase any lighting I want but these suit me just fine.

  • 8 years ago

    Kendrah, I did option #1 - go to a lighting specialty store, ask to see examples of different types, and let them help you. Keep in mind your countertop color, and if possible, take a sample to test under different lights. I live in a relatively rural area and even my town has such a store. I took my electrician with me so that he could ask questions about where the driver (transformer in LED lingo) and other hardwired components would go.

    I ended up picking LED tape (not because it looks ghetto ;) ), but because it cast the most uniform, even, and warm light in 2700 K with a diffuser. It's also dimmable. Unfortunately I can't post a photo because I haven't yet finished my upper cabinets. I'm my own cabinetmaker and designed the cabinets with a 2-1/4" lower face frame rail because I didn't want a separate light rail to hide the angled plug mold (rear of upper, against the wall) as well as lighting (installed about 10" forward of wall). If your cabinetmaker doesn't plan for hiding stuff from the outset, they can always add light rail after your lighting is installed.

    Kendrah thanked salex
  • 8 years ago

    I just finished meeting with our contractor who said we will ideally need to get lights that do not need a transformer. I called a lighting supply store and they said they have one that does not need a transformer. It is made by WAC, is LED. They said their are two different light sources inside the unit that I can select from at the time of installation. He said one has a more incandescent look and is 2700 K and the other has more of a halogen look.

    I have an appointment to go on Wed to look at it. I'll bring a sample of my wall color. I had not thought to bring my countertop sample as well. Thanks for the suggestion Salex!


  • 8 years ago

    kendrah, i like where you are going. many modern LED units now have selectable color temp. mine has 3:. warm, daylight and cool white.


    I am sorry my choice of words has offended some but please, you are sticking what amounts to a thin, bare flexible circuit board tape onto wood. Call me old school but heatsinks should be metal. Circuits should be enclosed.

    Kendrah thanked mishmosh
  • 8 years ago

    Thanks mishmash. I appreciate your response!

  • 8 years ago
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    Kendrah - a heat sink is a device used to absorb excessive/unwanted heat. For LED tape lights, this would mean something as simple as an aluminum track or rail. Something like this:

    heat sink track

    Whether you need one for LED tape lights depends on the lights - how many, wattage, location. It is certainly safer to use a track/rail, than not to. As far as the light strips needing to be enclosed, no. There are many professional companies that install these all day long, safely, not enclosed.

    Kendrah thanked Chessie
  • 8 years ago

    Mine is similar to Chess. I started with DIY strips plugged together and then into an outlet, and then an electrician wired it into a switch. I have a small kitchen and only have the under cabinet lighting between the sink and range as that is my major prep area. I do not have it on a dimmer - that would be nice, but my aging eyes are just happy to have it at all.

    Kendrah thanked jhmarie
  • 8 years ago
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    Yeah I don’t have mine under every cabinet either. Only two runs, where I need it. Also mine are plugged in to outlets, but the location allows me to keep the cords fairly well hidden - one outlet is down behind the peninsula and the other comes up from the counter so the cords are hardly even visible. And I have them on WiFi plugs so I just tell Alexa to turn on the kitchen. I do love that.

    Kendrah thanked Chessie
  • 8 years ago

    We installed these from amazon and are happy with them. 3 color levels no transformer and units can be linked.

    https://www.amazon.com/GetInLight-Dimmable-Cabinet-Lighting-Finished/dp/B0142E5P2W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1522723229&sr=8-2&keywords=Getinlight&dpID=31OWhXxqqnL&preST=SY300_QL70&dpSrc=srch

  • 8 years ago

    We used an online company I read about here called InspiredLED. Sent them our cabinet plan, told them what I was interested in and they gave me a quote. Sent everything needed to install. Our contractor said it was perfect. We got about 70 linear inches of the tape LEDs (Streetman 4300K) already prepared to fit, with all necessary cables, clamps, transformer and very detailed installation instructions for $207. It could not have been easier.

  • 8 years ago

    I apologize. I keep forgetting to take a pic of ours. I will tomorrow.

  • 8 years ago

    Vinmarks - Are yours hardwired?

    No worries cpartist.

    We were quoted $120 per 24" unit and we need four of them. Off to investigate the brand. Because we are trying to find ones that do not need an transformer, it will likely limit our choices.

  • 8 years ago

    Here's my pic finally.

    Kendrah thanked cpartist
  • 8 years ago

    Kendrah yes mine are hardwired. Here's what they look like. You can't see them unless you bend down and look.

  • 8 years ago

    Mine are also hardwired.

  • 8 years ago

    vinmarks, are you still happy with your lights? They seem nice, and I like the fact that they don't need a separate transformer (they're also a bit less expensive than the Kichler lights I have been looking at.) I especially like that you can choose the color that works best in your kitchen. We have a similar aesthetic in that our cabinets are a medium maple and our countertops are a medium gray quartz. I need odd sizes (one of my cabinets only has about 16 1/2 inches available width underneath, and I'm wondering if a 12 inch wide light will be sufficient.) Do the lights "spread" beyond their actual width?

    Kendrah, what did you wind up getting? I'd love to know, and to see photos if you have them.

    Has anyone on this thread had experience with inspiredled, Kichler, or American Lighting Complete 2 under cabinet lights? I appreciate any input. Thanks!

  • 8 years ago
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    "Has anyone on this thread had experience with inspiredled, Kichler, or American Lighting Complete 2 under cabinet lights? "

    Read 6 posts above yours.

  • 8 years ago
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    I'm the person who used InspiredLED, now 8 posts up. Four years later, still going strong. They look like the pic cpartist posted (although they're not kichler), and are mounted about the same distance from front cabinet edge.

    Forgot to mention, mine are also dimmable. We use them as night lights when we have guests, in case they need to get a drink in the night or something. They go from a very low light to very bright.

  • 8 years ago

    AR yes so far so good. Lights are working very well. One of the reasons we chose them was the ability to choose different color and not having transformers. I had no clue what light color would look best. The light does spread past the actual fixture. I think you will be fine with a 12 inch fixture in the 16 1/2 inch space.

  • 8 years ago

    Thanks so much, vinmarks! I like the ability to choose the color too, as you can't be sure what will work best until it's actually in your kitchen. I appreciate the feedback.