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Hosta Patriot vs Stained Glass?

Hi,

I started to plant hostas a couple of years ago, but so far have not been successful. I got some from a neighbor and bought some quarter size ones from the big box stores. Only two of them still look decent. Most of them were eaten by animals. I also think the site may be too shady. So this year I want to do something different. Originally I had planed to try Hosta June since they seem the most popular one here. But after seeing some of them in one gallon size at Pike Nursery, I was not impressed. Too much yellow, almost no green. I guess I have seen too many yellow leaf on my gardenia. The people working there told me the leaf color will show more green after they mature. Not sure whether this is the case.

so yesterday I went shopping in Costco and saw big 3 gallon hostas for sale there. They only have three varieties - Patriot, Stained Glass, and Guacamole. There are two flower beds in my house that I want to plant them. One flower bed is shadier, which has 7 Hydrangea (Blue Enchantress) , 1 Crimson Queen Japanese Maple, and 3 Crepe Myrtle. The other site is sunnier, which has 5 Encore Azaleas (Autumn Royalty) and 1 Red Dragon Japanese Maple. I think Guacamole may be too big. So Patriot and Stained Glass are my options. Since I need to buy at least 5 Patriots and 10 Stained Glass, I want to make sure I did everything correct. So here are my questions.

1) Between Patriot and Stained Glass, which one is more sun tolerant? Somehow I feel Hosta Patriot is more sun tolerant. Also are they pest tolerant?

2) I plan to space Patriot 30 inches apart and Stained Glass 36 inches apart? Do these sound right?

3) Which one looks better with the Hydrangea and which one looks better with Azaleas?

I am new to Gardening. Thanks for your help.

Comments (31)

  • 8 years ago

    Stained Glass and Guacamole will get to the same size and both are very sun tolerant.

    Pieter

  • 8 years ago

    Both of those choices do well with sun. IMO the Patriots would look better with the hydrangeas, just don't know how shady it really is there. If too shady, it would affect how well they would develop.

  • 8 years ago
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    The shadier site has several hours of morning sun. The sunnier site has both morning and noon sun. We live in Georgia, so noon sun is pretty hot already. If Stained Glass and Guacamole are similar, which one will look better with my Hydrangea and Azalea?

  • 8 years ago

    Stained Glass definitely has brighter color... gets my vote.

    Sounds like enough sun at the hydrangeas for whatever hosta you decide to put there.

  • 8 years ago

    If you are going to buy hostas at a big box store, I would be very cautious about doing so. A lot of cases of HVX are found at big box store hosta purchases. You would be safer if you kept your big box hosta purchases as strictly container plants so that you do not contaminate your soil if they should prove to be infected.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you so much for all of your advice. I think I will put Patriot with the hydrangeas in the shadier site and Stained Glass with the azaleas in the sunnier site.

  • 8 years ago

    We have good experience with plant purchases from Costco in the past. Thanks for the warning. I will wait before planting them in the ground. How long should I wait?

  • 8 years ago

    Where in Georgia? Most of Georgia is going to be hot enough that you are going to want very limited sun for hosta.

  • 8 years ago

    What zone are you in?

    I am in North Mississippi zone 7b and have not had good experiences with Patriot after several tries.

    Guacamole and Stained Glass like our climate but will need some relief from the sun in the afternoon.

    You will need to try to drown them in July and August.

  • 8 years ago

    We live in Alpharetta of Georgia, zone 7b. I am really confused about Hosta's light requirements. So far the only two half decent hostas I have are growing under more sun than those dying hostas. And I did not even plant those dying hostas in my shadiest site. Not sure the name of these two hostas.

    We went to Costco this afternoon and bought home 8 Stain Glass and all of their available Patriot in the store - 9 Patriot for $12.99 each. I need 12 Patriot. So will shop a different Costco tomorrow. Never have spent so much money on plants purchase. Initially my husband was not happy. But after seeing those hostas in our flower beds, he did not complain any more. They look so nice even in the containers. Hopefully they all survive.

  • 8 years ago

    Out of 5 Patriots I planted here 7 years ago, 1 is a nice large plant. 2 of them are small but still hanging on. 1 has shrunk to 1 small eye, and 1 died.

    I was talking to a nursery owner from Aiken and he said they quit growing Patriot due to poor performance. I just don't think that one does well in the Southeast despite being available at the big box stores.

    Stained Glass and Guacamole are descended from H. Plantaginea and have both done well for me. I've also had good luck with other Plantaginea descended hostas as well. Another family that has done well for me is Halcyon and it's sports like June.

    In my yard that is in a similar climate, hostas do best with morning sun followed be shade that lets in a very small amount of filtered light (bright shade).

    Link to an older article from LSU about hostas for the South:

    http://www.lsuagcenter.com/topics/lawn_garden/commercial_horticulture/ornamentals/thriving-hostas-for-southern-louisiana-landscapes

    I find their experiences and recommendations to be good for the Southeast.

  • 8 years ago

    If Costco does a 1 year plant guarantee like some of the other big box stores, I'd keep your receipt, particularly for the Patriots you bought.

  • 8 years ago

    I'd also suggest shopping at a local nursery that knows your climate and can make suggestions suited to your situation. Here is one local hosta grower. I've never shopped there but they are local to you:

    https://pineforestgardens.com

  • 8 years ago
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    I’m in Milton, so I’m guessing you were at the Windward Costco. So you are probably pretty close to me. You need a lot of shade or water for hosta in our area. Check out the selection at Scottsdale.

  • 8 years ago

    That is a good idea. I am not sure whether Costco has guarantee, but I will definitely keep the receipts. So far Japanese Maple, Hydrangea, Azalea are doing my well in my yard. Gardenia is so so. Hosta is not OK. Actually I did see lots of leaves coming out, but whenever they came out, they were soon eaten by animals. Cross my fingers on these new ones.

  • 8 years ago

    Yes. We bought them at the Windward Costco.

  • 8 years ago

    I have never had any luck with Patriot or any of its comrades. I did have Two Revolutions, one is thriving and one reverted to a pretty green.

  • 8 years ago

    I just checked. Looks like Costco will accept returns for almost anything. So I guess the plants are no exception.

  • 8 years ago
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    Hi Annette,

    Sounds great. I try to send you a message, but it seems you have not enabled messaging in Houzz.

  • 8 years ago

    Hmm, I get messages from people on here so not sure what’s up. I sent you a message to test.

  • 8 years ago

    My Guacamole has done much much better than Stained Glass--that being said SG is a prettier plant, in my opinion. June is simply a spectacular plant--that's why everyone buys them. I have 2--one in the sun and one in the shade. The one in the shade is definitely prettier.

  • 8 years ago
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    I suspect the June I saw in the store grow under too much sun. I should have taken a picture there. Below is a picture I found online that looks similar to what I saw in the store. It looks almost like green leaves turning yellow. I found another 3 gallon Patriot in a different Costco, but still short of 2. I am thinking about maybe buying two June online, but not sure whether they look good next to Patriot.

  • 8 years ago

    Your pic above IS what an immature June looks like. I would hesitate to plant it with the Patriots though, not the best pairing IMO.

    Keep your empty pots from Costco, as they want an actual dead plant with your return.

    Best of luck with your plantings, alwaysu.

  • 8 years ago

    I have wondered whether the plant was mislabeled in the store. So usually how long does it take to mature? Here is my Patriots look right now in one of my flower beds. The three big hydrangeas have been planted for three years. Just planted 4 more one gal ones last week. Sorry have not put on new mulch this year. Plan to work on that after planting all the hostas. Never thought about keeping empty pots. That is a great suggestion. Will definitely follow your advice.

  • 8 years ago

    While it's possible for young Junes to look more yellow, the one you're comparing it to looks a lot like June Fever, so I wonder if they were mislabeled. JF is not related to June, but the names could get mixed up.

    Good luck with your Patriots. That will be a nice display.

  • 8 years ago
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    How much sun does that area get? You are going to want hostas near Atlanta to be in at most 2-3 hours of morning sun followed by almost complete shade the rest of the day.

    My experience is that Patriot is probably not going to do well for you. Three of us in a similar climate have shared similar experiences with Patriot. If it was me, I'd take the Patriots back since you haven't planted them. You could then take that money and go to a local hosta nursery with pictures and a description of your planting area to get good recommendations on what will succeed in that space.

  • 8 years ago

    This area gets several hours of morning sun. But even morning sun is filtered somewhat by a big old maple tree more than 25 feet away. My backyard has nothing but shade. But hostas did not grow well there, if grow at all. I believe one of my two surviving hostas is Francee, which was struggling until I move it to the front yard. So that makes me think that my previous site may be too shady. This flower bed is in my side yard. Since both Hydrangea and Japanese maple grow well here, I figure it may be a good spot for hostas as well. Will see.


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    Patriot has not done well in my garden either. You could get the same look with good old undulata albomarginata which is a workhorse Hosta in my garden, always does well and is a very handsome Hosta.

    I divided one into six pieces and made this tree ring with them last spring. Next year it should be full. Here’s a close up.

    Bonus is they are very inexpensive.

  • 8 years ago

    That's really pretty!

  • 8 years ago

    They look almost the same as Patriots. Thanks for the information.