Rolando do you happen to have a source you could link me to? Thank You.

When I use a liquid detergent and want to add oxi bleach, I toss the oxi powder into the drum before starting the wash. HTH

According to the EPA and testing from the C.D.C, Powdered Tide is Germicidal enough to kill bacteria, including strains of Staphylococcus Aureus, Klebsiella Pneumoniae, E. coli and Salmonella Choleraesuis.

While... I don't have the ability or time to fully explain and type it out, I did find the original registration.

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/miscpesticides/misc_E_N/nonanoic_acid/tide_reg_0199.pdf

The key ingredient is the Nonanoyloxybenzenesulfonate. It's a strong catalyst and is germicidal. You'll also discover that apparently the EPA approved Gain Powder for the same disinfecting claims as Tide, and registered it as a pesticide.

That same ingredient Sodium Nonanoyloxybenzenesulfonate is still present in the formula today, and the product still disinfects.

Point of clarification - it is an activator, not a catalyst. It reacts with the oxi-bleaches (a catalyst facilitates a reaction without reacting)

@Rolando, you say a generous dose of TWB but just how generous? Since they changed the formula and added SLS it's impossible to rinse out fully. And that is using 2 tablespoons in a top load Speed Queen. Towels are the worst, which is what I use it for. According to Tide's website, the Rescue pods have Sodium Nonanoyloxybenzenesulfonate. So I'm guessing a couple of those added to a load of towels would do the same disinfecting.

I have COPD and some scents just cannot be tolerated. I'll try the Rescue pods and see how I do with them. Having used LCB all my life, I'm having a hard time finding a replacement.

Thanks for all your input, I find it most interesting and informative.

I just called P&G at 9am. I'm told while applications have been submitted no certification has been granted on any Tide laundry detergent. Without them getting into all the details which they would not... in a nut shell the use of Tide detergent can not meet all the protocol. Amounts needed in order to disinfect is too great to logically use to wash textiles.

Now if someone can provide the EPA certification of disinfection which would be different from the application code Rolando posted I can than dispute what I was told. I am trying to find the EPA's code myself and have sent email to the EPA.

I just can not accept with confidence that any Tide detergent will disinfect without proof of the EPA seal. If Tide is certified brings me to the question as why it doesn't proudly carry that seal. Surely P&G knows that by waving this flag sells would go up. Way up.

Sales would not go up, and it's probably not even worth paying for the registration. No one uses powder any more. Where I live, the stuff just doesn't move or turn over on shelves. Grocery Stores have mostly stopped carrying Powder, beyond a box or two. I wouldn't be surprised, in five years, to see all powders gone off the shelf.

@beaglenc, I mean... more of along the lines of at least a 1/3 a cup, if not a little. I'd normally say Line Two, but for a deep fill top loader, I feel like you should use more to take into the account the dilution. Two Tablespoons sounds like way too little, esp for a Top Loader.

As for calling P&G... that is almost useless at this point. They are not going to tell you to make an off-label use of their product because it would be illegal. They can't say if the product kills bacteria or not. The equivalent would be making non-FDA approved claims as a drug rep, and hoping the doctor listens and doesn't report you. Highly illegal.

The women you spoke to on the phone, is probably a first line representative anyway and is just searching the notes in their case system. They don't have deep knowledge of the product or its contents. I once called them about a discontinued product from the 90's... and was told repeatedly that it was never manufactured by them, despite providing Lot Codes & UPC information.

You can choose to believe what you want to believe frankly. The active ingredients are still there, and I choose to believe that they perform the same way. The washing environment is very harsh. And when you consider the strength of that oxidiser and bleach activator, it seems incredibly plausible considering its history, and former approval... that it remains germicidal.

I have complete faith that the product kills bacteria when you consider the facts. It's up to you if you choose to use the Tide, or continue to use Chlorine Bleach. I'm personally going to continue to believe in my Tide Powder.

Some people still use powder detergent.

The Tide with bleach box use to say to use a full scoop with a hot or warm wash to kill the germs. So beagle I would believe a full scoop. Can't imagine two spoonfuls I use more than that in a front loader and soft water. Surprised the SQ can't handle that. Kenmore was the worst to suds lock of any brand I have ever used. More suds in the rinse than the wash water. I would just add Downy free to dispenser to kill suds then let the second rinse take care of the leftover stuff.

@Sparky823, I would never use a full scoop of anything except Rosalie's. I have soft water too. Practically no suds in the wash, more in the rinse (which would be acceptable in the wash) and even more in the second rinse. I don't want to add fs to towels. The water feels slippery even with the small amount.

So I guess I'll just depend on the hot water, agitation and hot dryer to sanitize my towels and such. Oh the regular cycle kicks up the suds so I use the knit cycle, slower agitation with the high spin speed.

Question....if Rosalies is suds free how does one know if its fully rinsed out?

Bea...when you freeze ice cubes are they white after freezing? I've seen this with ultra soft water.

Bea, True detergent says it has very few suds. Do you ever see it in your area? It is made in Atlanta. Amazon has it pretty reasonable. Can also order from company and is in some stores. Check True website for the stores in your area. Only in Charlotte in NC best I remember.

I’m not finding anything on tide with bleach powder box that says anything about killing germs or disenefecting. I am sure it’s not going to be advertised as such but sparky mentioned it said to use a a full scoop to kill germs. This is the only thing on all six of the boxes of tide with bleach powder I have. I have a few boxes of the previous version as well. All of them say the same.

I am more curious to see where it actually says kills germs. The other three sides of the box just say tide plus bleach original 53 loads when measured at line 2.

It used to say on the front of the box kills 99.9 of germs when using a full scoop in hot or warm wash. This has been 10 years or more.

I’ve got boxes that date back 8-9 years and they don’t say anything on them either, bummer. Thanks for the clarification as it wasn’t recently which I was most curious about.

Google Cincinnati enquirer Tide with bleach. You will find story there. It was 2-11-99. Tells about killing germs.

I was a tad off with my years.

Also go to you tube and under search put Tide with bleach kills germs. Has a Tide commercial and show's the box telling about the bacteria killed in wash.

Over on AW Launderess spoke about the Tide with Bleach powder. ...in the past for a short time it did say it kills germs...but the EPA stepped in and said prove it or remove the label. The label disappeared.

Perhaps there are ingredients in this Tide with Bleach that kill germs but that doesn't mean it will kill germs in textiles...and maybe even the amount needed is not a reasonable amount in a load to kill germs. Maybe it needs a certain water temp or a certain amount of contact time. Anyway just because a detergent has a germ killing ingredient doesn't mean it will kill germs....and exactly which bacterias will it kill...I do believe Tide with Bleach powder can kill some germs but which ones I'm unsure. As far as P&G goes...why don't they have the box labled? There are a lot of people in the medical field that would like to go home and trust their box of Tide with Bleach powder will disinfect the clothes they worked in.

IMO as I've said before unless your household is faced with a serious bacteria just washing in hot water with a good detergent will eliminate most of the risk.

Yes I remember when Tide with Bleach powder was labeled to kill germs. P&G labled it not the EPA. The label didn't last long when it was removed...wonder why.

I'm not quite sure who Laundress is or What "AW" is... maybe another forum? But... I can tell you this much. At one point in time, 1999... an independent lab successfully disinfected E-coli, Salmonella, Staphylococcus Aureus as well as other groups of germs in multiple loads of textiles using Tide With Bleach.

Another interesting tidbit - is they didn't even change the formula to compensate for these new claims. The same Tide Forumla had been in place in 1984 and had apparently always disinfected textiles.

The EPA did not tell P&G to put up or shut up. The CDC said... that the temperatures of tap waters vary throughout the country, and that contact times for disinfection could vary significantly in harder water conditions, and cooler water.

Obviously, it's hard to perfectly say... use large-fill fill top loader, with the temperature at this point, and this exact agitation. However, P&G based their disinfection claims on an average sized load, using 6gpg hard water, and a "warm" water cycle.

The CDC recommendation was made not to include the disinfection claims on the box anymore, however, they did remain in marketing campaigns for other P&G Brands outside of the United States, including Tide for Canada. P&G voluntarily dismissed and didn't renew their EPA Registrant License.

But the fact still remains. The ingredients are still there. And imo, with a 2nd Line Dose, combined with Hot Water, I personally choose to believe that my textiles and my laundry will be sanitized. I take the leap of faith and believe that.

We can all choose to believe different things, but consider the facts in this case before you make a decision. The harsh washing environment, even with a Liquid Enzyme Detergent in Hot Water, should kill some bacteria on its own. But that same load in an oxidised environment, with a germicidal bleach activator. Well, that's got to provide some reassurance.

This medical person has no hesitation simply washing clothes, including lab coats, that have been around people with serious bacterial, fungal, & viral infections, using Tide with bleach. The bleach primarily to keep the coat white.

More concerned about people using good cough hygiene, and washing hands with soap & water, to minimize disease transmission, than bugs on my clothes.

https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/guidelines/environmental/background/laundry.html

@mdln, thank you so much for that. It's extremely informative.

I have some TWB powder but threw out the scoop. If someone would please tell me the different amount of the lines, I would appreciate it.

I'm not bein g understood. Lol. Its established detergent+ oxygen bleach+ activator can disinfect.....that however doesn't mean the Tide with Bleach powder sold in the local grocery store will do so. You do know P&G manufacturers different formulas of Tide with Bleach powder? ? Not all boxes of TWB is created equal.

@mamapinky0, nothing is guaranteed for sure. But I'd say with over 90% certainty, that a scoop at line two will disinfect.

Also - The boxes of TWB are created equally. There may be some variations in packaging, like a different scent, or additional suds suppressors HE Turbo, but the boxes are mostly all the same. Recently... I think there has mostly been one box hitting the shelves, which is the "Original Scent" with HE Turbo variety. There are very little variations to that available where I am.

@beaglenc, the first line was always 1/4 cup on Ultra Tide. I think the 2nd Line is 1/3 a cup. 4th line was definitely 1/2 cup.

Yes the boxes of TWB that's found on the local grocery store shelves are created equal...however P&G does have another formula of TWB that isn't commonly on any store shelf.

I said above that the ingredients in TWB most likely will disinfect certain germs, however I have no idea the amount needed in a home machine or the variables. I highly doubt hospitals are using the same formula we use. But interesting subject isn't it.

^That version of Tide is not even manufactured anymore. It's my understanding the entire pro-line of Tide is all-liquid now.

There are powder boosters, and stain removers for the commercial market, but I don't think there is any more powder detergent.

I say this because I don't think there are as many variations of Tide anymore. I think there might be two Tide W Bleach versions left. P&G has really killed off a lot of things.

I haven't even seen this Tide Ultra Oxi Powder - that was supposedly released months ago.

I haven't seen the Tide Oxi powder yet either but I'm wondering if its only on a trial run at Target. I would like to give it a test run. I'm wondering if its ultimately going to replace Tide with Bleach powder. I haven't checked the ingredients yet so not sure how it compares to TWB powder. If it does replace TWB powder and sales drop because people can't find TWB I shall laugh myself silly at P&G. Remember when the TWB was rebadged Tide Vivid? People were complaining they couldn't find TWB. P&G had to go back to original name TWB.

OMG how many more time can I say TWB. In a few sentences. LOL

The new tide oxi has basically same ingredients as tide with bleach powder except the scent. I asked tide about new oxi powder and they responded saying it’s not only at target but up to each retailer what they sell. It’s overpriced at target, 17.99 for 95 ozbox. Similar tide boxes of that size is 12.99. I have the new tide powder and it performs the same as twb powder. I am betting they will chop tide with bleach powder since most people think it’s not color safe bleach. People think oxi is better than bleach. Been buying tons of tide with bleach powder lately just in case lol

Larisa Thank You. Any idea if the new Tide with oxi has the same amount of oxi? And I'm assuming it does have the activator. I do know my Walmart had the big boxes of TWB on clearance a month ago. They now have the 63 load size but not the big ones.

Oxi is short for oxygen bleach which is what's in TWB but your right Larisa people may not understand that. As far as oxi being color safe...depends on a lot of factors. Lol...but its not my habit to use oxygen bleach on colors for a reason. LOL

Wonder how may people do use TWB on colors because its **color safe** than wonder why they have fading.

Tide with oxi discussion was on the Facebook page and yep sure does have the activator in it like twb. I tested it on some dingy whites (had two shirts of the hubbys I found from his army days in a box). I tested one shirt (with other whites) with tide oxi and twb and they both came out gleaming white. After more research found that basically it’s the scent that’s changed. It’s a mix of twb and clean breeze scent, very nice.

I noticed the same with twb smaller boxes on clearance at Walmart too. Picked up what I could and ordered large boxes off of targets website. Won’t be getting tide with oxi till price goes down a bit. Targets website originally had it listed as a 143 oz box for 17.99 and a 95oz box came (since been corrected when I made the complaint). They refunded me since it was their error. It’s been on sale a couple times already for 11.99 box but at 17.99 it’s gonna stay at target lol.

Think must have been a price increase. Regular Tide was $18.96 for 102 load size at Jet. Now same box $23. something. I forget the cents.

IMO the Walmart clearance means nothing. A while back all the Persil was cut and clearance and some already were the 10 dimension stuff. Now restocked with all of it back to regular price. Maybe something to do with clearing their system prior to restock. Who knows.

Just reading TWB says 10x cleaning and the new Tide oxi says 6x cleaning. ( Both powder) If they are the same I wonder why they list them rated differently.

Tide + Oxy powder is on their website and the listed ingredients make no mention of an activator. However the ingr. for the reg. powder and twb are the same,both having NOBS, so they should perform equally.

I did a load of towels using 3Tbs TWB. water was pretty slippery but I also added 2 cups of peroxide, hot water and about an hour long soak, one an a half cups of vinegar in the first rinse, second rinse was basically clear. I was pleased with that and will use that method again.

Bea, Hi!

I also don't see an activator in the Tide with Oxi which would make it a more color safe option for those that want to use oxy in non whites. Are you saying Tide regular powders are the same as TWB?

Tell me what benefits you had from adding peroxide with TWB? More stain removal? Better whitening?

I bet the vinegar in your rinse helped neutralize any remaining residues which I know has been an ongoing problem for you. Glad you found a work around.

Saw the Tide with oxi powder at Dollar General the other day. A 35 load box was $9.95 so kind of pricey for the size box it was. Must be new size because I don't ever remember 35 load box before.

Wow very pricey and not even a bleach activator. That's ridiculous. P$G surely doesn't plan to keep this new detergent. No ones going to buy more than a *test me box* . For that price it must remove tar.

This was the talk about tide oxi on the Facebook page :)

“Upon further review, I believe the seventh ingredient down (sodium phenyl...sulfonate) is indeed the bleach activator. It’s in the same position as the activator is in Tide w Bleach and has the same root words, just in different order. A cursory google search seems to confirm this for me, but am open to being challenged if someone disagrees.

The way I’m seeing it, same formula — different scent.”

sodium phenylsulfonate (or sodium benzenesulfonate) is a surfactant.

Yep Alice is correct.

I think. Nonanoyloxybenzenesulfonate

Is the only bleach activator that P&G uses since it was their baby...but maybe I'm wrong about it being the only activator they use.

@mamapinky, it's silly I know to add more peroxide but it made me feel better. It is a disinfectant after all, not as good as LCB, but better than nothing. Yes the vinegar did help in rinsing out residue and made my towels a little softer.

ETA: I've always used lcb in my towels, bath and dish, to sanitize them. But it irritates my airway so much now that I have stopped using it.

Ok, this is a little strange. Having looked at the website and all their powders, they all have and activator,EXCEPT the F/G version. Dang it! Guess I'll just have to hope I get used to the oovveerrly sweet smell. Has anyone tried the downy version, how does it smell? It does appear the Oxy one does have it, it's just strange that it would be a different one for all the rest. Maybe that's why it more$$, that and a different enzyme.

Have you seen the new Clorox in the gold bottle called colorload? Also saw a new version I will say of Clorox 2 but it is called something else but with 40 percent more cleaning/ bleaching on label. Really didn't read it close so I don't know much about it. I figured the one above ( color load) is probably peroxide ( my guess). I believe color load did say unscented.