i dont know if they will get 15 feet tall .... but you need about 3 plants to cover 15 feet wide ....

they reseeded themselves rather freely .... in my MI .... i dont know why you couldnt just winter sow them in place ... in TN ... in very late winter.. early spring

are looking for seed online.. ??? ... 1500???? ... they have been in every seed presentation i have ever seen for the last 40 years ... 2 bucks or so.. for 10 or so seed ... of course.. this time of summer.. those displays are empty .. or gone for summer ... you might call a local high end nursery.. or stop by.. and see if they have any left ...

ken

Thanks, Ken!

I saw them on Amazon from Hirt's Gardens who I've been happy with before.

1500 seeds for $4.

I'm really just thinking about next Spring already. I'm in deep!

rotflmbo.. 1500 for 4 bucks ... trust me ... if you plant one.. and harvest it next fall.. you will have 1500 for free .... just find them locally ...

they have hard seeds ... i think i used to take them to a nail file ... and scratch the hard coating enough.. so that water can get inside ... then put them in a wet paper towel and in a few days.. they would just barely sprout... at which time you could pot them ... or put them outside.. if it is warm enough ..

though the seeds will winter over in my MI ... sprouted plants arent going to take cold soil .. which it is why i suggested just planting some seed directly where you want them ...

i hope i am not confusing them with 4 oclock seeds.. which also take to the seed skin filing ...

ken