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Rescued citrus, need some advice

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

Hi everyone! Please, give some ideas on this citrus tree, which was given to me by one of my neighbors. She claims it is an orange, but to me it looks like a lemon. It has thorns, no graft line and is four feet tall from soil line to the top. It was badly damaged by scale and spider mites and came in a 20 inch diameter container with no holes, it still lives in the same container till now. It was taller and I cut about 2 feet off the top. Trunk is damaged and peeling off, some cotton scale under the bark (I think). This is what it looked like the day I got it, cut the top and sprayed it:



Here it is now:



Comments (26)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Some more pictures:


    What is your verdict: keep it or toss it?

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The curved roots at the bottom gives me the impression it grew from seed. I don't waste my time with seedlings as I am in my 50's. I will probably be dead before it fruits. lol. My opinion is that it made this long, maybe give it to somebody young who is willing to care for it as a learning experience and see if it ever fruits.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked Dee
  • 8 years ago

    I thought the same, Denise, about it being a seedling, but the lady said it had fruit on it last year.

  • 8 years ago

    A tree surviving in a pot with no holes? Hmm. Not saying it couldn't be done. Rub one of the relatively new leaves and see if it leaves a scent on your hands. I noticed a citrusy odor on my hands after touching my Eureka lemon trees. That may help in determining which variety of citrus you may have. I noticed this doesn't happen on my older leaves though or my other citrus trees. You can always keep it for a year and see what you get. If it bloomed in the past, it may again.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked Dee
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    An orange leaf will have a winged petiole; a lemon will not. I agree the twisted root is a good indication it was grown from seed.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked johnmerr
  • 8 years ago

    I was 57 years old when this tree was sprouted. I am now 61.

    Flower #2

    Flower #3

    I am having better luck with my seed grown Fukushu than my grafted Fukushu

    Steve

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 8 years ago

    Thanks all! Denise, I am going to try to save it, I am young and have my whole life ahead of me :) The lady probably repotted it in to that gigantic pot with no holes recently, I wanted to find out more about the tree and was told she moved to another city.

    Will update you on my decision on this one down the road.

  • 8 years ago

    You can graft a piece of sionwood from a tree that has fruited already, close to the base, nice excercise, why not. Try an improve barkgraft with a stick from a super delicious variety, sure somebody here could send you a stick.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked Monyet
  • 8 years ago

    The tree may be grafted on to a seedling rootstock

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    When life gives you a lemon, make an air layer :) This is the progression of making an air layer on citrus tree mentioned above in pictures. After I cut the top tree in 2-3 months, I will graft something on to the roots of the mother tree. Enjoy!

    I will update you down the road.

    Here is an air layer on a completely horizontal fig branch:

    Have a good day, everyone!

  • 8 years ago

    Nice pic sequence, I've heard of scratching bark but it looks like you did a complete encirclement to the inner layer, did you apply any hormone? I also assume the bottles are split and taped.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked bklyn citrus (zone 7B)
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Honestly, if you live in a mild region where citrus thrive, I'd toss and start with a known entity of a variety that you really enjoy eating. Oh, I guess you're in Ontario. Well, your call.

  • 8 years ago

    No hormones, I could have used raw honey, but it should be fine. The bottles are split and taped. I also secured the larger bottle with a string, to not move down and expose the wounded trunk.

  • 8 years ago

    Dave, it is a matter of experience, observation and learning for me. I love challenges!

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Well, just know that if it's a seedling, by chopping off the top you have probably reduced any chances of it blooming and bearing. Read up on citrus seedlings -- this is part of the learning curve. They need to grow for many years and TALL before they can bloom.

    I don't like the look of the trunk where the bark is peeling. Looks like freeze damage.

    In the mean time, if you like the tree and can get it to recover, you can enjoy it as a foliage plant.

    But if you have your heart set on fruit, buy a known variety.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked Dave in NoVA • N. Virginia • zone 7A
  • 8 years ago

    Dave, I know all that info about seedlings. I have nothing to loose, I am a patient person. I already have varieties that I want.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Sunshine you sure know your stuff, enjoy watching the way you go about. Good lesson for everybody. You have done your homework long time ago.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked Monyet
  • 7 years ago

    Just an update on my citrus tree trunk air layer. I checked the roots under the tin foil and they look good, there is also a branch shooting from below the air layer, very close to the soil. I will leave the air layer to grow for a couple more weeks and cut it to plant it in a new pot.

    The new branch will be the main trunk.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Hi everyone, finally I removed the air layer from the lemon(?) tree. Here are the pictures I took during and after the removal and repotting of both parts. Enjoy!

    There were lots of healthy roots all around the trunk:

    After removal:

    Made a mound in the center of the soil, gently spread the roots all around, added more soil:

    For the bottom half of the tree I trimmed the root zone almost in half, removed the thick and circling roots, repotted it in a smaller container (it was growing in a very large container with no holes before I got it in June). The circling roots happened before it was put in that giant container by previous owners, I am sure I snapped some roots further down the soil, but it will be ok with those remaining and the sprouted branch is a good sign:

    Both of them side by side:

  • 7 years ago

    Sunshine there is no stopping you, you are just remarkable. Don,t slow down.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked Monyet
  • 7 years ago

    Great job. I thought about doing thast with my grafted Meiwa. I would be air layering much higher up on the trunk and leave a healthy bush with the original roots.

    Steve

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 7 years ago

    Nicely done and illustrated Sunshine. The only thing I would have differently is that I would have untangled the entire root ball of the air layer before potting up. Just like you did it for the bottom part of it. In my experience that wall of roots creates more problems later on since it prevents uniform root spread in the pot afterwards.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked tropicofcancer (6b SW-PA)
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks guys :)

    Oops , Tropic, now you're telling me :) I really hope that as roots adjust and I water it, the roots spread a little bit. I was afraid to snap them and damage the roots. I think the next repot will be more work.

  • 7 years ago

    I always use a root hook to untangle the roots. A few will break but most will remain undamaged. It will help to spread the roots out uniformly and provide more space for roots to grow unhindered. I posted pictures of before-after untangling in this post: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/chinotto-air-layer-potting-in-pictures-dsvw-vd~5408661


    And the root hook is in one of the pictures too. You can find a similar one on ebay and amazon. That root hook is 25 yrs old but my wife uses it more since it fits are small hand better. I have several others that I acquired over the years since I consider it the single best tool for repotting and chopsticks come in at a close second.


    I know a lot of people are afraid of doing such a thing - but once you start doing it I think you will get the hang of it and never go back. It is a lot like women combing to untangle their hair.

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked tropicofcancer (6b SW-PA)
  • 7 years ago

    Wow sunshine your good really good looking nice .

    Brian

    sunshine (zone 6a, Ontario,Canada) thanked nulesm