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Cedar 8x8 posts cracking/checking

8 years ago
Hi everyone, we are building a new home and opted to us 8x8.edar posts for our deck. The posts were installed about a month ago and today I noticed some really significant cracking the posts.

I understand that there is some checking and natural cracking with cedar, but these cracks seem to be really deep.

That being said, I'd love to get some opinions on if this is normal and no problem, or if we should push to have these replaced. The two concerns I have are 1) the asthetics and 2)the structural integrity. If they are splitting this much in a month, I'm not sure how much more will happen over time.

What do you think?

Comments (22)

  • 8 years ago

    Yes it is normal and you have both #1 and #2.


    To avoid this, the wood should have been dried and sealed, at least sealed.


    In the future, if it rains, the wood will continue to crack and rot.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Thanks, Jim! So, since it may not have dried appropriately, and definitely was not sealed, should we press to have these replaced? They are outside deck posts, so they will be exposed to the elements, especially harsh sun and rain as we are in the south.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Any type of wood will be a poor choice in this application. Do you have a picture looking back at the deck from the yard?

  • 8 years ago
    Thanks, PPF. That's pretty disappointing to hear as the cedar was recommended y my builder. I've seen plenty of pics online of cedar deck posts that don't look to have cracking to this level, and it was never mentioned when we were discussing options, so a little disheartening to hear that this the cracking is a foregone conclusion.

    Here are some pics looking out.
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    No pictures from the yard? I was interested in the deck structure and the style of house.


    What type of surface is on the deck?

  • 8 years ago
    Oh sorry! I misread your question. No, sorry.. I don't have any pics looking back at the deck at the moment. The deck is supported by 4x4 pressure treated columns, wrapped in brick. The surface of the deck is tiled.
  • 8 years ago
    Here are some pics of the house for stylistic context
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Next time you are at the job site, take a few pictures showing the deck construction from the yard.


    I would have suggested the brick wrapped columns be instead concrete wrapped with brick extending above the deck floor to become part of the railing.


    The cracks happen as the wood drys out. 8x8 material is typically green wood and will shrink, twist and crack as it drys. Sealing will do nothing to prevent the drying process.


    It looks like the wood is sitting on, or the tile is wrapped around and maybe grouted to the posts. Another problem as this is an area that may trap and hold water causing rot.


    Without images it's impossible to make good comments or suggestions.

  • 8 years ago

    Cedar should never be in contact with any wet surfaces; in the south it will even rot as siding due to the high relative humidities.

    And it is a major maintenance struggle to keep it looking the “cedar” color.

  • 8 years ago
    The deck surface is sloped so the water should run off away from the deck. I don't anticipate an appreciable amount of water getting trapped and causing any rot.

    My main concern is the cracking at the moment
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The cracking will continue, if water/rain is allowed into the cracks, the cracking will increase and rot will start. Water will get into the cracks, this may cause rot.

    There are cosmetic fixes and structural assists.

    This may be an example of wrong materials for your location.

    The replacement may cause more issues than fixing what you have. Post Pictures of the footing and post at the concrete from below.

  • 8 years ago

    I've got a log cabin. Checks are normal. We've got checks on inside and outside on the logs and beams. The logs were dried to 18 % moisture and still developed checks. For the logs on the outside we were told to use Big Stretch caulk to fill them. That could be something to look into. They make different colors. You don't want water getting in them. As far as cedar being used for that application I don't know about that.

  • 8 years ago
    Thank you to everyone for the comments! Here are some pics of the deck looking up from the yard
  • 8 years ago
    We are doing a cedar deck and cedar treads on stairs leading off the deck but avoiding cedar posts and going with aluminum railings. This would look good in your design too.
  • 8 years ago

    Some checking is normal but that looks significant. And I'm surprised they didn't finish the tops of the posts off so there are no flat surfaces like the this...


    Nice looking house BTW...

  • 3 years ago

    We have sever checking in our 8x8 post columns on the front they are 11 ft tall and the back porch they 9 ft tall. They have been stained but inside the checking/cracks it’s not stained of course. should we try to get the stain down in there? I’m really not sure how we’d do that. They are also swisting. Should we be concerned or is this all normal for cedar post?


  • PRO
    3 years ago

    HU:


    Don't worry please; it's normal.

  • 3 years ago

    Thank you!

  • 3 years ago

    Staining the cracks will do absolutely nothing for the wood to prevent cracking. Cracking is common, it's normal and there isn't a thing which can be done about it, The thicker the post the more it will crack and the lower the density of the wood the deeper the cracks will go. Red Cedar is the second lightest wood next to balsa so of any wood used cedar is the one that will crack the deepest. Staining will help repel water and block UV rays from the sun but won't stop cracks and the best stain ends up being just a paint.

    Your timbers will never stop moving and the checks will open and close as the outer layers of the timber pick up and shed moisture. Do NOT try to fill the checks with epoxy or something similar. it will make it worse.

    Why people buy and use these expensive timbers thinking they'll look the same as new is a mystery to me but I'm sure the builder didn't tell you what to expect. The UV rays destroy the woods lignin without extensive UV protection and in 10 years time they look like old nasty tree stumps. One things for certain, it won't be soon before you end up painting the posts to cover up the ugly and the reason you bought them in the first place will be lost, but will still have the cracks.

    Best thing for posts isn't a solid post but a box built around a 4"x4" or 6"x6" treated post using 3/4" treated lumber, or even cedar and stained the color you want. You'll rarely see big funky checks because the outer box is thin wood which will dry easier with less movement.



  • 3 years ago

    Well the good news is that in 10 years I hope to have move on from here. Thanks for all your knowlegde and advice. Where were you when we were building? 😂

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    In the sun, the outer surface of a timber shrinks faster than the inner core creating cracks. Slowing this process down helps but it's difficult or impossible to prevent cracking in large timbers. As Kevin suggested, the best solution is to cover smaller structural posts. Take a look at the Woodway cedar rail kits with copper clad post caps.

    https://www.woodwayproducts.com