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raise ceiling height and add light

8 years ago
We are soing some reno in the house we bought. It is an old house but the last owner had done some good work to keep up but in our opinion that is still a bit old.
As the money flows in we plan to get some updates done.
Eight now main concern os the ceiling height. From the age of the home, it is all 8feet ceiling height. Except for master which has vaulted ceiling which goes to 9feet at center. Not very high but atill higher than rest of the house (this was the most recent addition).
My husband is 6’2” so 8 feet does feel very low and a dining room light fixture annoys him as he bumps into it.
We have a contractor looking into doing some work. We have planned to have a tray ceiling with min 1 feet tray to add space in living area so that makes the entry looks a bit bigger and makes more space(through volume). Kitchen and dining area we have 2 options, tray ceiling or skylights to do the same. We first thought to have a tray ceiling kitchen to dining,but then contractor threw idea to have skylight(as we had asked for it too) but no tray ceiling.
Please suggest which option would be best. We are already gonna start work for living room tray ceiling as we are taking the wall down between kitchen n living so it is upon us to take the final call.
For either option please also suggest skylight placements. Image attached for reference, deck is on west side. So ample light from that direction.
only skylights in kitchen and dining (no height raise)
tray ceiling and aslo add skylight(s) for more light
tray ceiling in kitchen n dining

Comments (25)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Forget spending the massive amount of unrecoupable funds on difficult and useless renovations. Sell it and buy something else will be cheaper.

  • 8 years ago

    Why is your husband bumping into dining room light fixture? Either put furniture under the fixture or change the fixture.

  • 8 years ago

    Making a good, solid older house mimic a new TInkertoy McMansion is a futile enterprise, and when you're done you have a house that's lost its identity.

    Worse, what you propose is a major expense and a major life disruption, with no prospect of recovering the cost when you sell. Did I mention the stress it puts on your marriage?

    I agree with Sophie. Sell the house and buy something more like what you really want.

    PS - I'm 6 feet and I'm not bothered by 7' 8" ceilings. Your hubby will get used to it. He's probably just looking for an excuse to blow big bucks on renovations. :-) It's much cheaper to just replace the hanging DR light fixture with a surface mount. Even cheaper: if it's on a chain, shorten the chain.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I have had 8 ft ceilings for years and years. My husband was 6 ft 3, and he never once complained that the ceilings were too low. Thats the average height of most ceilings, when some of those houses were built, unless they were built by wealthy homeowners, who then use 9 and 10 ft ceilings. Actually, it is still average height ceilings in some areas and tract homes. Custom homes usually have vaults, or tray ceilings, or something a bit fancier. Putting in tray ceilings, is very expensive. I would opt for the skylights and leave the ceilings alone. Your dining room light fixture shouldnt hit anyone in the head. It should be centered over the table.

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    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Son is 6'4". He has no trouble in my house with 8' ceilings (which are in fact, 7'8"), but then I do have a table under the chandelier in the DR, and I have hung any pendents very high if they have nothing under them. Late husband was 6'2" so he had to clear any hall lighting.

    Sophie and others are right - you will quickly be over-building your house and will need get your money out of it. You also won't be happy with it, either.

  • 8 years ago

    I'm confused. You're proposing to add a tray ceiling to a 'very low' 8' ceiling to raise the ceiling height?

  • 8 years ago
    Im confused too. Surely, the center of the tray will still be 8 ft and the edges will be lower, which defeats the whole purpose. Much cheaper to cenet the chandelier over a table...
  • 8 years ago
    Thanks all for the suggestions really appreciate the point of views here.
    To clarify, the tray ceiling is being added to add space, so actual ceiling would stay at 8’ and tray would be created by raising it to 9’.
    The DR furniture would ideally be under the chandelier but still I guess I should add that the fixture itslef is a bit lengthier and falls down about 20” which is too low for a 8’ ceiling. So that definitely needs to go.
    @sophie we just bougth the house so the point of selling it is simply out of question.
    It is not inly to reap when we sell, its also about while we live in thr.
    My husband does not have complaints abt it cos we bought the house cos we liked it. Certain cosmetic changes to make it fot our needs.
  • 8 years ago

    It is an old house


    How old? Wood frame house?


    From the age of the home, it is all 8feet ceiling height.


    Are the 8' ceilings original to the house?


    Except for master which has vaulted ceiling which goes to 9feet at center.


    Is the master an addition to the original house? Or something like a garage conversion?


    To clarify, the tray ceiling is being added to add space, so actual ceiling would stay at 8’ and tray would be created by raising it to 9’.


    Even more confusing. A 1' deep trough around the perimeter of an 8' ceiling?


    If the house was built with >8' high ceilings and 'dropped' in a past remodel, you can restore to the original height.


    If the ceiling has been dropped, you may discover that there were good reasons to drop it.

    Like crumbling plaster. Or to accommodate things like HVAC ductwork, rewiring...


    If the original ceiling height is 8', what you're proposing is far, far from being a 'cosmetic change'.





  • 8 years ago

    Light fixtures over a dining room table with 8 ft walls should be 30-34 inches above the top of the dining room table.

  • 8 years ago

    I am surprised by all the folks who are confused about a "tray ceiling." The exisiting ceiling would stay the same height around the edges for about 12 inches, but would have a tray section in the middle that is raised to nine feet. This required complete demolition and re-framing of the current ceiling which is a lot of work. I had this structure in one of my houses, and its a nice look, but it was designed in from the beginning.


    In my opinion, 8 foot ceilings are the norm and you would be extremely unlikely to recover the cost of trying to make them taller. There are better upgrades to spend your money on.


    Bruce

  • 8 years ago
    There are a whole host of potential problems that you haven’t even thought of. Ductwork, electrical, where’s the extra 12”coming from? Are you cutting floor joists for the upstairs? Spend your money on a cruise around the world.
  • 8 years ago

    I'm assuming there is no second floor, right? Otherwise there'd be no possibility of raising the ceiling.

    Has your contractor given you a price point on raising the ceilings? If not, I think you'll be in for a big surprise.

  • 8 years ago

    Standard remodeling building practices do the tray the easy way. It’s a dropped soffit around the perimeter, not rebuilding the house. You end up with the same Center height, not taller. Getting a taller ceiling requires rebuilding virtually the whole house. Rebuilding the house is not an option in an existing home, because there is no way for it to ever be cost effective. You might as well do a teardown and rebuild.

  • 8 years ago

    OK, I get it now. (Maybe the fact that I banged myself in the head with a hammer yesterday trying to pull a long ring shank nail from overhead had something to do with the confusion! :-)


    If the 'old house' has dropped ceilings (not unusual), not that difficult to do. If the original ceilings are 8', that's a whole other story. As in pulling off some or all of the roof and rafters, joists, or trusses and replacing with engineered tray ceiling trusses.



  • 8 years ago

    Assuming there's no second floor and the house is stick framed (no trusses), making a tray ceiling is basic carpentry. That said, there are several things to consider.

    Attic insulation would have to be removed, a huge mess. Ventilation and insulation requirements will require the tray to start three-four feet from exterior walls, because of the slope of the roof. The bigger the space, the better trays look; the smaller the space, the more awkward.

    You mentioned skylights. My experience with them is limited and from thirty years ago, but all I remember is constantly climbing up a ladder to clean off bird droppings and being woken up in the middle of the night by lightning flashes and rain pounding like a drum.

    I'd think about better lighting, bigger windows and wider, taller door openings.

  • 8 years ago
    Tons of thanks to each of you for sharing your reviews.
    I think we r hurrying up the process cos we want a open floor concept and liked high ceilings too. On first i was like why everyone is against the plan. But sitting in the living room and going through each of the comments in here, I definitely see that we need to rethink this plan.
    So let me ask for an honest suggest on this.
    I have shared the area floor plan of our living-dining-kitchen. We want to create open plan for easy flow. To connect these two sections as we utilize these areas the most. We like to entertain so want to have a bigger island but the wall would not allow that so taking the wall down was the first thought.
    So what would be the best thing to do, given the floor plan.
    Thinking through, 1. adding skylight would add light which is positive(pls add thoughts on this); 2. Adding lighting in living room(canned lights?); 3. Wall taken down?/half wall down to visually create soace but not major structural change(?)..
  • 8 years ago

    Get used to the existing and turn off the TV. It’s not real life. It’s fiction.

    Vani Vinayak thanked User
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I get the open concept, people seem to want that now. I have it, since this house was built that way in 1968. I dislike it, and would love to have a wall up, but, house layout, isnt built to do that. If you cant live without open concept, then do that. It will also cost more than you think. The wall may be load bearing too, and that is expensive to change. Skylights may be a good idea. I dont like can lights and in fact, changed the 4 that were here, to other type lighting, so will make no comment on that. I guess its up to you. However, if you decide to do can lights, make sure you have a good electrician come in and install them properly, and dont buy the cheapest ones you can find. I would choose living in the house the way it is, with minor updates, for a while, since you just bought it. The house itself will tell you what is best for it and your life style after living with it 6 months to a yr. Good Luck to you, whatever you decide. Bad and expensive decisions, are made, when you are excited and in a big hurry for things you want, and then then regretted down the road, when you have lived in a house a while.

  • 8 years ago

    cat_ky: " Bad and expensive decisions, are made, when you are excited and in a big hurry for things you want "

    Yes! Good point! It pays to think things through.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    You've asked for an honest "suggest.", So here goes:

    You need an architect and GC team who work together. Get a real plan, from pros, that includes expected costs. If it still makes sense, and you can both afford it and live with constant construction, go for incremental fixes.

    But whatever you do, get real professional help. Smart, smart people on this board- and they still can't help you without a lot more info.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Sorry to repeat myself, but you are living in the wrong house.

    You have a 50 year old house. What you want is a 5 year old house.

    By far the most practical and affordable way to turn 50 into 5 is to sell 50 and buy 5.

    Let someone who will love that house with its existing personality buy it from you.

    If you have lots and lots of spare cash lying around, and nothing more important to do with it, you could do what more and more rich kids do these days: knock down the house and build a brand new one on the resulting vacant lot. Obviously you need another place to live while all this destruction and construction are going on, so this is better done before you actually move in.

    Bullying that old house you have into becoming the new(er) house you want will mean a lot of work, expense, and life disruption. You will tear your hair out, and by the time you're done, you may not have enough money left to buy a wig.

  • 8 years ago

    OP compromised on two major check points...high ceiling and open concept. Just a fact of life in house hunting; you never (or almost) never find The Perfect house.


    Skil made a great post on how you can get the tray ceiling if you really, really must. Not worth the mess, expense ASAIC. It's just extra cubic feet of air that has to be climate controlled.


    The dining area is only 10' wide...pretty cramped after you fit in table, chairs & people. Removing that wall (or part of it) would be a real improvement. Only potential fly in the ointment--is that a supporting wall?


    If it is, you'll have to choose between having an exposed beam and possibly posts or a more expensive solution. In some cases, it is possible to buy the support beam in the attic.

    Load bearing beams

  • 5 years ago

    I imagine my comments will be OBE, since you asked this 2 years ago, but I agree with graywings123 -- nothing but negative responses. As someone mentioned above, no home is perfect, but the joy of a home purchase is making the home your own. The sense of lightness and brightness is uplifting and calming. I say go for it, but as some did warn, get a great contractor and be prepared for the financial costs. Maybe you could update us on your ultimate decision and lessons learned?