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Please help with Botched floor refinshing project

7 years ago

We had 3000 sq feet of perfect, flawless 1980s oak flooring refinished to darken the wood. We love the color but there are waves and chatter throughout. The contractor came highly recommended by a flooring company. It was a comedy of errors from botch staining that caused them to have to resand, letting birds in the house and leaving it overnight so it pooped all over the stained floor...massive dust everywhere...and the worst of it is the poor end result. Iwas away for 2 weeks and this is what I arrived to see...



This is everywhere. We had wanted a bit more gloss but my wife was afraid it would make the waves more visible so we ended up with a wavy floor and not the finish we wanted....along with the wrong molding but that minor compared to the rest. They did not offer to redo it...nor would we want them to touch it again since they obviously cant do it right and they already sanded it twice...if it was refinished once before I am afraid it will be too thin...I can already see visually a dip down from the edges of the floor.


They did not clean any of the dust and my wife has been leaning for days...don't know if that is normal but them having to do it over once because of the botch staining job caused delays in other things...in some cases over a month so we just had to leave it alone and get them out.


I had to pay them half to get them to leave and said I would discuss the rest when I got back from my business trip. one of the workers blamed sub floor....the owner actually said to my wife..."the floor is flat...it is just the finish...it will wear down and you wont notice it"...he never offered to redo it and again we would not have him touch it. He didn't have a trio wichi I think is the only thing that can fix it...just a drum. So my questions are...


1-How many time can you sand a floor?

2-He basically said "I guess I cant make you guys happy"...what is my recourse...do I have to pay him the other half

3-He actually damaged my house in my opinion and refuses to admit it. When we go and sell out home this may significantly devalue my home....can I sue them? At least for the cost to get someone else in there to do it right at some point in the future?


Thanks for any advice.

Comments (3)

  • 7 years ago

    In building/construction law, the rule of thumb is: The original contractor must be allowed ONE attempt to "fix" a problem. After that, the homeowner is then allowed to bring in another contract (at the original's expense) to "fix" the problem. You have to check your state/provincial laws to confirm this approach.


    Assuming this is the case, the contractor has officially used up his/her SINGLE kick at the "redo" can. Now you are free to go elsewhere. I would not pay them anymore money at this point. If they want the TOTAL amount, they will have to give you a PROPERLY FINISHED floor. This is not properly finished. This is a redo. That's a full sand/refinish.


    The amount of times a floor can be resanded (completely) will be determined by the original thickness of the wood itself. To complete a resanding, there must be a MINIMUM of 3mm of wood ABOVE the tongue. Normally the "wood" can offer 60-80 years worth of service...depending on plenty of factors.


    A hardwood floor from the 80's probably experienced ONE sand/refinish event before you started your project. A hardwood finish lasts around 25 years. Some can push 30 years but then it looks like HELL. If you do the math, the 1980's build probably had ONE refinish sometime in the early 2000's. Your project is *probably the second event.


    The "second" time these guys sanded, probably wasn't a full event. They merely removed the stain (a light sanding event) and then tried to start over. I would guess this caused 1.5 sanding events...not 2.


    It is easy enough to figure out. Simply find a flooring vent and pop the vent off. Look at the cross section of the wood floor. Measure the amount of wood left ABOVE the tongue. So long as it is MORE than 3mm, you can go again with a FULL sand/refinish.


    I would reach out to the flooring company that recommended these guys and let them know that the work was subpar and that you would suggest "removing" this company from their recommendation list. That's all you can do with the flooring company.


    The next contractor you want to work with will be an NWFA Certified Wood Sanding/Refinisher. You can find a list of local professionals from the NWFA website: www.nwfa.org


    If you want stuff that "stands up in court" you would ALSO contact an NWFA Certified Wood Flooring INSPECTOR (at your expense...which could then be charged back to the original company in small claims court). The same website will offer the professional nearest you. If you want to go this route, make sure the floor is inspected BEFORE the refinish occurs.


    Once you have contacted the NWFA professional(s) of your choice, you then need to INFORM the original company (in writing) that:

    1. The Floor is not properly finished as per industry standards

    2. Another flooring professional/inspector has been engaged to help correct THEIR mistake

    3. The final payment is "not owing" because the job was not completed to INDUSTRY STANDARDS

    4. You reserve the right to recoup financial losses due to their poor workmanship (you may or may not want to add this...it depends on how nasty you want this to get).


    And leave it at that. Do NOT share the "full report" with the flooring company until ONE of TWO things occur: 1. They PAY you for the report (ie. they pay your out-of-pocket costs for the report); or 2. The courts direct you to disclose documents for your day in court.


    S/He who pays for the report, OWNS the report. You can "quote" from it, but you have no obligation to share the report in it's entirety.


    Good luck.

    Peter Morrone thanked SJ McCarthy
  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Most of the time I see posts here where someone is apoplectic about a floor that's probably better than 90% perfect, and I try to be the voice of reason. Unfortunately this isn't one of those times. That's a truly horrible result.

    I have seen claims of subfloor issues causing waves in a floor but the usual culprit is a machine issue. There's two different types of flaws like this, wave and chatter. I suspect the floor got waves the first time they sanded, which were amplified on the resand.

    In my opinion the original finisher probably isn't qualified (and doesn't have sufficiently high standards), should refund any money you gave him, and you should find someone more qualified. An expert will cut the floor on an angle to remove the waves, then do straight cuts with increasingly finer grits. Ideally they would use a machine like a Trio sander after the big machine and edger work are done, or hardplate it with a buffer using sandpaper, then screen the floor.

    You can look into legal remedies but consider what it may cost you out of pocket, and your ability to collect on a judgement if you prevail.

    Peter Morrone thanked Johnson Flooring Co Inc
  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Out of tune equipment, definite rework.

    Peter Morrone thanked G & S Floor Service