You need a Kitchen Designer and an experienced contractor. And the approval of your building.

Your plan wants to start a fire and do things that condos do not allow.

@ GreenDesigns. This is a kitchen designer and how in the world does this start a fire? And what about it should not be allowed? We need approval to move gas or water lines and I am doing neither.

Insufficient clearance to the pantry side for fire safety. Plus wasted space. You've got electrical overhead that is going to need a lot of attention. The DW is on the wrong side of the sink, right in the middle of the prep space. An OTR instead of a hood. No drawer bases. A diagonal corner wall. Insufficient clearance for the island.

The original design was better.

You have a cabinet seller, not a kitchen designer.

Given your constraints, your new design looks good and is a vast improvement over the current layout. The only thing I don't like is the way the pantry cabinet closes in the range. I would just have regular uppers and lowers there.

Keep the moveable kitchen cart instead of a peninsula.

You could do a microwave drawer instead of the OTR.

Ok. I was worried for a second. The pantry is my main concern but more about wasted space. She originally had it where the fridge is but I prefer it tucked in the corner. All units in my building have microhoods that came with the units, we pass FD/DOB inspections so I am not worried. The electrical shown on her plan is not existing and will not be done. We have already changed and centered the fixture shown in my original photo and no other electrical is being done. The diswasher can be moved to the other side. The drawers are in my cart. And Yes I know that there is no room for an island. Its will be a movable cart like the one shown in my picture just longer. It stays because I want it.

You don't have to move your dishwasher. There is no right or wrong side of the sink.

I like having counter space on both sides of the cooktop.

You will not pass inspection with a wooden cabinet side less than 6" from a flame source.

If you think you need more counter space, you could add a lightweight island on wheels and put it (narrow end to the wall) next to the fridge when not in use. If it doesn’t interfere with the front door, you could put it across from the sink when using it. The new layout looks good.

I vote you go with a cart; I have an island that is 60x24 and it works just fine for me. Your cart can be moved as you need it.
Don’t forget to consider under cabinet lighting-it’s worth every penny.
Another issue might be that the dishwasher and oven door may interfere with each other, but I can’t tell; I agree that 6 inches is too much space to waste and you need a bigger landing spot on the right side of the stove. Can the pantry be narrower and stay in the same spot?
I’d also consider having drawers or pullouts in the lower cabinets; I wish I’d done that in my own remodel. I’d keep the lazy susan.
If you have a microwave drawer, it will need an electrical source as well so it may not be feasible to have it in the island/cart if you’re in a condo.
Good luck!

If you go to my idea book named “ broom closet ideas” I have a picture of additional storage around the fridge-it shows a pullout broom closet and a spice rack.

@pleballerina Yes. I am going to go with the cart 24by60 cart. It doesn’t interfere with my door swing and is easy to move out of the way. I will move the dishwasher and we are going to go with a dishwasher drawer. We were thinking of a microwave drawer but it would take over the only other lower cabinet we have other than the lazy Susan and the sink. They are also expensive and can be a pain to clean. Instead of the 24inch pantry. I can do an 18inch one and a 12inch cabinet next to the stove. There goes my large pantry dreams.

I think this is a very good layout except for the pantry. I will be much more pleasant to work at the cooktop without it, especially for a right handed person.

Yes the pantry has been my nemesis. I want one so badly. Why? I don’t know I just love the idea.

How about put the cooktop on the island?

Put the DW back on the other side of the sink -- it's in the middle of your Prep Zone in the proposed new layout. In addition, with the range so close to the corner, you will not have very much room to unload the DW b/w the corner and an open DW door. Also, you need more than 6" b/w the range and a flammable material like the wall of the pantry (filler or not). Listen to GreenDesigns.

As to the corner, either stick with the corner susan, get corner drawers, or void it completely (the last is not recommended given your lack of space on the range wall).

Blind corner cabinets are probably the worst way to handle a corner -- to use it regularly, you have to get an (expensive) swing out and then hope nothing ever falls off inside the cabinet. If something does fall off, you will have to retrieve the item b/f you can close the swing out -- and that's not always easy!

Recommendations:

• First, keep the corner susan. They are very useful for pot/pan storage, small appliance storage, etc.
• Unless you have a large family, get a 30" wide refrigerator with one door (to maximize the interior refrigerator door storage). Yes, normally I'd say a 36", but in your case, you don't have a lot of room. Condos often have to have smaller appliances to accommodate the smaller space.
• Get a 24" wide sink base. You might be able to go as wide as 27", but, again, you don't have a lot of space to work with and you need storage and counter space.
• Get an 18" tall pantry pullout (shelves attached to the door so they pullout when the door is open). They're more efficient than 24"W x 24"D pantry cabinets b/c things won't get lost and you will be able to see everything at one time when you open the cabinet. Plus, you will then have enough room b/w the pantry's wall and the range for (1) fire safety, (2) elbow room & pot/pan handle room, and (3) emergency landing space
• Drawers! Get as many drawers as possible. Drawer storage is more useful than cabinets -- with or without rollout trays.
• Hang the MW from the upper cabinet over the DW (with the DW on the left). It keeps it out of your Prep Zone (b/w the sink and range) and keeps it off the counter.
• Keep the narrow mobile island for additional workspace when needed and, possibly, a bit more storage space (e.g., utensils, lightweight items, foil/plastic bags/wax paper, etc.)

Lidia -- the island is a mobile cart, not a fixed island. Even if it was, it would be far too shallow to be a safe location for a range or cooktop.

Something like this...

oops...forgot to label the optional 24" plate rack above the sink. It's mounted 36" or so above the counter -- enough "face/head" room so you don't have a cabinet in your face. If you're tall, mount it even higher.

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Zone Map:

@Buehl. You are amazing!I. I will am going to go with the 12 inch cabinet and the 18 inch pantry. I would go to with a 30 inch fridge but I have a 36 inch. The 24 inch sink is fine as I think the one I have now is smaller. I may have the cabinet above the diswasher modified to fit a a microwave like this rather than keep the range hood.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Summit-Appliance-0-9-cu-ft-Built-In-Microwave-in-Stainless-Steel-OTR24/204382788

I was going to go with 2 or 3 open shelves above the sink. Any opinion on the paint color for the pantry? White uppers are a go as are black lowers. D I carry the black all the way up the pantry? I was going to make the cart black as well. Thank you again.

Get pull out pantry pieces on one side of the range but just counter height they will give lots of storage and allow the stove to stay where it is.and as mentioned much better storage to change lowers to drawers.BTW before you make any choices get some proper lighting in that sapce

Thank you all for your advice so far. These are the ideas we have come up with. Nothing is set

in stone. The first is we are going to expand the kitchen to make it 12 by 8. It won't hurt the rest of the our furniture layout. We really like Ikea for the base cabinets except their lazy Susan because or its size and we are fighting for every inch. We would also get doors done elsewhere and upper cabinets from elsewhere because the size of their uppers are limited to 30inch or 40inch. My preference would be 39 with 3 inches of molding or 36 with 6 inches of molding. I also don't like there upper corner options. Still looking for where to get the uppers. Suggestions welcome. Thanks again.

Layout 1

30-inch Fridge – Ours is French Door

24 Inch Dishwasher – We want to do a dishwasher drawer instead of a full dishwasher so this could increase to 27

24-inch Sink base

24-inch Drawers

36 Inch Lazy Susan – Not Ikea. We most likely will purchase elsewhere.

30-inch stove

12 inch pull out cabinet (can be changed 15)

18-inch pantry (can be changed 15inch)

Upper Cabinets

24 Inch = Over dishwasher

I can add a 24 over the sink. I was thinking of open shelves but I’m flexible.

36-inch Cabinet and a corner cabinet (I want to change this to a 24inch Easy reach cabinet and a 24inch) - We most likely will purchase all upper cabinets elsewhere.

Concerns

The pantry looks odd.

Is it too much black and not enough white?

Does two tone make sense in a space this small?

Layout 2

15-inch pantry

30-inch Fridge

24 Inch Dishwasher – We want to do a dishwasher drawer instead of a full dishwasher, so this could increase to 27

24-inch Sink base

15-inch Drawers

36 Inch Lazy Susan – Not Ikea. We most likely will purchase elsewhere.

30-inch stove

30 cabinet

Upper Cabinets

24 Inch = Over dishwasher

I can add a 24 over the sink. I was thinking of open shelves but I’m flexible.

24-inch Cabinet and a corner cabinet (I want to change this to a 24inch Easy reach cabinet and a 24inch) - We most likely will purchase all upper cabinets elsewhere.

Concerns

Lack of counter space by the sink.

Are 15-inch drawers too small?

Layout 3

24-inch pantry

30-inch Fridge

24 Inch Dishwasher – We want to do a dishwasher drawer instead of a full dishwasher, so this could increase to 27

24-inch Sink base

38 Inch Lazy Susan.

30-inch stove

Upper Cabinets

24-inch = Over dishwasher

24-inch = Over 30inch drawers

24-inch = Over sink (This can be removed)

A corner cabinet and a 12inch (I want to change this to a 24inch Easy reach cabinet and a 12inch) - We most likely will purchase all upper cabinets elsewhere.

Concerns

Lack of counter space by the sink.

The pantry is almost as large as the fridge.

Layout 2 maximizes counter space and puts the pantry in the corner where it doesn't close off the kitchen. That's the one I'd go with.

keep us posted, especially if you utilize the rolling cart in Buehl's plan. I'll be following because I have something similar (including cart!). enjoy the process:)

first: the kitchen is too small for an island

if you want to keep it open do not do an island

second: do not do a pantry, wall and base cabinets with counter is your best bet and it will provide extra counter for the right of the range

Third: keep the refrigerator to the right as in the rendering on your first idea but do a 30" counter depth ( again gaining more precious counter space)

fourth: stay away fro base blind cabinets, they are cumbersome and difficult to access and having a magic corner mechanism will triple the price of the cabinet

fifth: do 42" high cabinets no crown, more storage and cleaner look

given the size of your kitchen I will keep the micro-hood, is not ideal but you really don't have the room to put a microwave anywhere else without looking odd

Example of why proper fire/building code space is needed between a stove and tall cabinet

Hello Everyone,

We are still working through this but a few decisions have been made.

1. We have committed to extending the kitchen to take up 12 Feet of wall space on the long wall so its now 12 by 8 instead of 10 by 8. I use that space for my garbage can now and that's going to be moved to under the sink so woo hoo more space.

2. We reduced the Fridge to 30 inches (our luck the 36 inch we ordered was back ordered by for months). Its a french door but not counter depth. Yes counter depth would have been a cleaner look but 1. there was only 1 to choose from and its back ordered (lots of people buying fridges I guess), 2. it cost a good $500 more than what we were spending on the non-counter depth( we ordered during the Thanksgiving sales) and 3. I am fine with it sicking out.

3. We are going with the Fisher & Paykel dishwasher drawer. Yes it's small but we are not big dishwasher users and I like that I won't have to bend much to get things in and out (no age/medical issues, just lazy).

4. The micro-hood is gone. If you're going to go through all the work and expense of a kitchen renovation, when possible, get what you like. My kitchen is the first thing I see when I walk through the door and is open to my dining room and my living room so I really need to love it, since I can't escape it. If you're a big microwave person or you like the look, keep it. We are not and I don't like it (Sorry for the rant). That being said it's still needed. The only thing I care about is that it fits a 10.5 inch dinner plate. We are looking at doing something like this

https://www.houzz.com/projects/753975/nyc-eastside-art-inspired-remodel-glitterati-kitchen or just doing a cut out in the back of an upper cabinet for the electrical putting it in and closing the door. We need one with the proper depth for that and with exception of the GE space saver I haven't found it yet, so the search continues.

5. The movable cart/Island is a go but still deciding weather to build it from cabinets or buy it ready made. I would like a smaller version of this with wheels but we will see where we end up.

6. The pantry... oh the pantry. Well its has been removed from the corner next to the stove so we can look forward to not burning down the kitchen. I still like the pantry. Yes I could do what Anthony has suggested and just put a 30 inch cabinet, which would give me more counter top space but currently I use my cart to prep and I don't see that changing. I like being able to watch the TV in the living room or talk someone sitting there Vs. staring at a wall. So we will go with with a 15 inch pantry and a 15 inch set of drawers next to the lazy Susan. I like this idea that I saw at Ikea. They are using a 24 inch wide 15 inch deep pantry to surround the fridge.

So as of now the kitchen is: 15-inch pantry, 30-inch Fridge, 24 Inch Dishwasher, 24-inch Sink base with garbage underneath, 15-inch Drawers, 36 Inch Lazy Susan, 12 inch drawers, 30 inch stove with range hood above and 18 inch drawers.

Size of the uppers is still TBD. If we go Ikea it will be 40 inches if not most likely 39 with crown similar to [https://www.houzz.com/photos/mike-samanthas-kitchen-and-bathroom-modern-kitchen-portland-phvw-vp~59255552[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/mike-samanthas-kitchen-and-bathroom-modern-kitchen-portland-phvw-vp~59255552) or this [https://www.houzz.com/photos/south-loop-town-home-contemporary-kitchen-chicago-phvw-vp~35444263[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/south-loop-town-home-contemporary-kitchen-chicago-phvw-vp~35444263). Color also TBD.

Advise welcomed!

I have 24” between my fridge panel and sink...it is okay even with my “water everywhere” DH. We do not handwash many dishes though.

Hi rantontoo,

Its just two of us so not too many dishes and that's the size we have now it wont be a shock.